[ SECRET POST #4328 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4328 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Red Green Show]


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[Overwatch]


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06. [SPOILERS for The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina]



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07. [SPOILERS for The Haunting of Hill House]











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Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #619.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

yuuuuuuup.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the conversations are important, and as much as they can be stupid and annoying, the Bs usually raise good points that need to be made.

But it needs to be way, way, way easier to opt out of those conversations, and have ways to filter your feeds and have control over what you see.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do those points need to be made.

[(Anonymous)]

Because we live in a society.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing against you personally, anon. I think your heart's in the right place, but I need to vent about one thing you said: No, they really don't NEED to be made. You choose to make them, or you choose not to make them. You have every right to do so; however, under no circumstance am I, or anyone else, obligated to care. Keep the discourse in your spaces and among people who care and you're golden; however, unless you've got permission, bringing those lovely "discussions" to anyone else's space is kind of like spontaneously walking into a random facebook friend's room, flopping onto their bed and masturbating with bravado. Why?

[(Anonymous)]

I think one of the problems is that these exchanges often aren't civil conversations, they're lectures delivered by people who want to demonstrate that they're woker-than-thou.

[(Anonymous)]

I personally think that's like 70, 80% the fault of the platforms where these interactions take place. It really seems like stupid, irrational, knee-jerk interactions are commonplace to the Internet, regardless of what group is involved or what's being talked about.

No.

[(Anonymous)]

Discourse is fine, but those particular things called out in the secret are accusations without basis.

Re: No.

[(Anonymous)]

It's unreasonable to make those accusations without some basis, but all of those things are also things that do happen. Sometimes, they're even done by people who say that they don't do them.

[(Anonymous)]

Hm.. I don't agree with that. I don't think those points 'need' to be made. I mean sure, if one has questions or whatever they should be allowed to ask the author abt those, but I live by: If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything. But that's just me, I suppose..

[(Anonymous)]

You have a point with your points and I hate it. Like, I don't think seriously off-putting themes in fiction should be censored (like underage or racist content for example), because fiction is fiction. Yet I applaud that Youtube has taken down the recent horrifyingly popular "suffragette killing" RDR2 videos. Minorities should have special protection compared to more powerful groups, but where does one draw the line?

[(Anonymous)]

Man, I've blocked so many Bs at this point that they're like mythological creatures. People say they exist, but I never see them.

[(Anonymous)]

This sounds like the most sensible and practical approach!

[(Anonymous)]

100% agreed, OP. There was a lot less of the B and much more of the C when I was active in fandom. Oh, and this is the point where someone jumps in to inform me that back in the day fandom wasn't perfect - yes, I know. "A lot less of" isn't the same as "none".

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you.. And it can be rather taxing. I myself ship f/f, but mostly just for non-canon, so I that is not quite so popular either. My fics are way on the dark side, with very questionable morals of the characters, so I can relate.

I don't understand how people - still - don't get this. I hope you won't be discouraged by those small minded people who don't even get the most important rule in fandom. It's sad, but I guess, those people won't ever go away..

(Am I right in assuming "B's" are "Anon's"? Or just regular people leaving comments? I've never heard that term before even after 8yrs in fandom xD)

[(Anonymous)]

Does the first point happen for real ? It seems strawmanish. If it does, the only way that it would make sense to call A homophobe is if they gave homophobic reasons for not liking the M/M pairing not if they simply don't ship it.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe if one character is (in canon) part of a m/m and f/f pairing? I heard that some people find that 'problematic'. I as a slash shipper myself don't, bc my ships are never canon compliant so it'd feel wrong for expecting it the other way around.. And I really just don't care..

[(Anonymous)]

i have seen people accuse others in general of being 'homophobic' for not shipping their m/m ship of choice, but only a few times but they were that kind of ott shipper stan.

most of the time when i see someone being called homophobic for not liking a m/m(or f/f) ship the accused is actually being homophobic.

[(Anonymous)]

dumbasses on the internet do things that don't "make sense"

spamming SJ buzzwords as ammunition in an old-fashioned vindictive shipwar is just the latest round

it sounds like strawmanning because mob culture is dumb and awful, but it absolutely does happen

[(Anonymous)]

I've heard it said in the BBC Sherlock fandom, for people who don't ship Sherlock and John because the argument is that there IS no reason not to ship it unless you're a homophobe. Ridiculous, but hey, that's fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

I see a lot of it trending around to the opposite now, like 'I ship this M/F pairing, it's much more ~*equal*~ and feminist, as opposed to m/m (fetishistic) and f/f (you're probably just pairing them off because you don't think they're worthy of the male characters!)'

[(Anonymous)]

Yup, I've seen a lot in my current fandom. If you ship this m/f pairing instead of the popular m/m pairing you're just doing it because you're homophobic and don't want to ship the m/m (even though i don't LIKE one of the characters in the m/m ship). Also if you ship a "gay-coded" character with a girl, then you're homophobic (even though the "evidence" he's gay is filmsy at best).

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. Why do people in fandom need to have a snit fit over things that they don't like? They just need to move on and focus on what they do like, instead of getting their panties in a bunch.

[(Anonymous)]

When I was in fandom years ago, I was in some reasonably well sized fandoms. I had a lot of friends. I didn't encounter much wank on the whole...

Since returning to fandom, I am a one man band. Not my choice but I'm just the only person who writes my ships. And I have no friends. At first I used to be so sad about this, and I still am sometimes. But when I see the way tide has turned in fandom, I sometimes wonder if I'm better off alone. Fandom is so aggressive now.