[ SECRET POST #057 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #057 ⌋

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Okay, so here we go. Just a little thing, but fun, plus you get stuff. :D And before anyone asks, don't worry, we don't want to know who has like the deepest, darkest secret or anything like that. The point of this is to boost fandomsecrets watchers/participation. We've tried to get word about the comm out there, but you know, we need your help. And so, a referral contest! How this works: 1. Grab people to join/watch/participate in the comm. Spam f-lists, post in comms that might be relevant, anything you can think of! New people submitting at least one secret is preferred, but hey, watchers are nice too! 2. Have them comment here with your lj username. They have to be logged in, but all comments are screened, so don't worry. 3. At the end of the month, March 31st, we'll count up how many people were referred by each person, and the top three get prizes. 1st picks first, 2nd picks second, 3rd gets whatever's left, it's pretty simple. :D Winners get a choice of: → $15 LJ gift certificate from benightedfate. (C'mon! Money!) → A choice of graphics/icon set/fan art by shahnichan. (She's good at it!) → Customized LJ layout/profile layout/anything requiring coding by grayout. Or fanfiction if you want, that works too. *dies* (This is pretty much the "Case gets to be your slave for a day" choice. I'm useful! I swear!) And that's it. Easy, right? Go! :D

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 060 secrets from Secret Submission Post #009.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Sunday, March 4th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: Here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[alaturk.livejournal.com]

okay, okay. now look. we need to all chill for a while. we're all of the old fandom, so we've at least got common ground. older fans tend to get very protective of their fandom (i guilty of that too, at times) and lash out against people who think they're the first to do this or best to do that. trust me, i've had my fair share of that wank.

but let's be reasonable. hojoxvincent has never been really fucking popular until DoC. it's kind of a closet thing, so the numbers are easily fudged on who did what first and who did what and made it popular. we can all claim that we are the first this or best that, but someone's always going to challenge us and start a thread like this. so klytaemnestra says she and friends popularized it. in some circles, they probably did. maybe not the circles you were in, but i saw when/where she posted and can at least verify that yes, she (and at least rene) did in fact often gripe about how there was no love for that pairing. i'd dappled in it myself at that time.

the ffvii fandom has never been particularly well put-together. there was this group and that one and this circle of big names and those webmasters. not everyone is everywhere. there is no ffvii fandom omniscence. so let's just leave it at that. we all hate the new DoC fans, and the ones of that pairing, and we're kin in that respect.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

...Hee, I love your site and have for years!

And hey, I agree completely. I was just pointing out, rather harshly totallymybad, that there is no way to tell who wrote shit first and presuming is rather arrogant.

I don't mean to offend though, honestly. Oldbies unite :)

[klytaemnestra.livejournal.com]

It's cool. I probably overreacted as well, as I'm known to do in regards to FFVII these days due to so many fandom idiots coming in and basically making me hate it.

But it's true, old fans should band together because once we die off the fandom will be completely lost.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

I think the ffr people hate me for all the new!FFVII bashing I do because apparently appreciating the original game and disliking the complete stylistic changes the "sequels" make is some kind of horrible canon-raping blasphemy (and I say this without persecution complex, honestly), so I sympathize completely.

It's kind of sad when I start to miss the Aeris vs Tifa wars.

[klytaemnestra.livejournal.com]

New fans hate me by default these days. Ah well.

I just mostly steer clear of it and play around in my other fandoms where I can still have fun without getting a massive headache from idiots.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

I love FFVII (despite its definite overratedness) too much to abandon ship, but I just hang with my like-minded friends anymore =\

[klytaemnestra.livejournal.com]

I haven't really done anything with the fandom in almost a year and really don't miss it. It's sad 'cos after nine years of being involved in it in some form on and off, I just get pissed off by it now.

The old fans are cynical and the new fans are mostly a bunch of rambling idiots who do nothing but praise and preen each other's craptastic stuff and pretend that all the old fans of the original game don't exist.

I'm terrified of what the upcoming movie is going to do to Castlevania since that's been my fandom for life and I really don't want to see it overrun by stupid fangirls. Curse of Darkness did enough damage.

It's funny though, since my greatest love right now is Bleach and I almost think it's because I can play with it and no one's going to take that much interest because there are so many fans of it.

And it gives me an excuse to play with mindfuckery again.

But I digress, all my friends just kind of stopped caring as well where FFVII is concerned. My best friend and I used to write together but ever since AC came out that's stopped. Most of my old fandom friends have gone MIA these days ... I feel kind of detached from it. I'd like to backtrack a few years ago when eggnogstick revived my love for it and got me writing CidxVincent for her. Those where the days. I don't even know what the CidxVincent fandom is like these days if it even really exists any longer.

God, we sound like a bunch of old people now. x_x

If anything new fandom made me into a bitch.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Holy SHIT is it a small world. My junior year of high school Caz (eggnogstick) and I were BFFs until she went a bit nutso and kinda fucked up a good portion of my life for a while.

Even though it's like my alltime OTP, I don't pay attention to the VxC fandom because most of them do now and have always portrayed such a potentially AWESOME pairing so incredibly shittily. Ever read anything by konitsu? Fantastic VxC writer.

And I hear you. I froth weekly.

[klytaemnestra.livejournal.com]

Fandom is inbred. Yeah, Caz ... I dunno, we have a long and often bizarre history. It's complicated to say the least. I went through a lot of emotional shit with her for about four years. It's sad that I really don't have much contact with her these days considering she and I used to talk on the phone for hours and write 20 page letters and such. Urgh ... dredging up things. Funny considering the other day I was contemplating writing this long journal entry touching on most of this stuff.

CidxVincent was mostly crazy angst-ridden fluff when I was reading/writing it and my stuff probably falls somewhere into that category though light on the fluff. If they started writing sometime after say ... October 2003 I probably never read their stuff. I was done with CidxVincent by then for the most part.

We seem to share a lot of similar opinions on stuff, mind if I friend you? I'm not as much of an evil bitch as I come across on here. ::dies..::

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Heh, then you and I have much more in common than I thought. I was the exact same with Casey Lucas. We talked every night for two hours MINIMUM and logged over 500,000 words of RP via TEXT MESSAGE. I was stupid and oversensitive in high school, I admit, but she told me a lot of horrendous things that I think were lies and it gave me some serious issues.

I actually have a few questions, since you knew her so long, that still plague me years later which is incredibly lame. Do you have AIM?

Yeah, from what I gather it's pretty much the same now. It's sad, because both characters come to absolutions for themselves in the game, and fic where they have MOVED THE FUCK ON is always better than everything (99%) else.

Haha, I can be just as bitchy anywhere. You seem incredibly awesome, though, so le friend! (Also you like Castlevania. A++++)

[klytaemnestra.livejournal.com]

You know ... when I saw your username on here I thought it sounded way too familiar. This is probably why.

Yeah, we RPed like crazy for hours and talked and wrote letters and sent each other random crap. I was starting out college, suffering between trying to be a 'good' person and student and stuff and being an inner bitch who really wanted the world to die at the time.

I do. AIM: enigmatic angst -- I used to RP Vincent and it stuck. Lol.

I probably have some questions on my own, as well. I never knew what to believe.

Castlevania is the most awesome thing ever.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

GODDAMMIT I HATE THIS NEWFANGLED LJ CODE

Girl's name is "konitsu" ;[

[alaturk.livejournal.com]

nooooot a problem. i just really hate to see old fans start tearing each other apart because of the new-fan-inspired elitism. everyone is ready to tear apart people that they haven't personally encountered, so it's understandable.

wow, i still have fans? go figure. i figured i was just still doing it for my own benefit X3 are there more of you?

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Actually I know a few people that visited the crap out of your site back in the day and still look at it for reference nowadays.

[alaturk.livejournal.com]

you've gotta be kidding me. someone actually uses it as reference? i mean, i paid it a lot of lip-service to it back then, and still now, but i never actually thought anyone CARED. all i get now is people wanting porn and pictures of their shitty turks cosplay that i put on my site to point out (usually) how careless they are with it. mismatched suits make me cry, really.

wow. i think you just made my fandom-day. sweet. and apparently, you know my girlfriend. iiiiiit's a small world aaaaaafter aaaaaaall~

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Oh, I do? Who is she? Good LORD it's tiny on the internet.

[alaturk.livejournal.com]

that's what SHE said. IM me and we'll chat. i'm renoalaturk on AIM and renoalaturk@hotmail.com for MSN.

[(Anonymous)]

there is no way to tell who wrote shit first and presuming is rather arrogant.

I agree with you, I was put off by how it was worded too.

[alaturk.livejournal.com]

oh, agreed wholeheartedly. at this point, it's just a habit of constantly dealing with people who have only played DoC and/or seen AC. a lot of them think they invented the fandom and the older fans tend to get defensive of that, which, to other older fans, comes across as horribly, horribly arrogant. it's just a misconception and i think it's all been glossed over nicely now. huzzah for mediation!

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Again, fuck DoC. And not just its horrid plotline with its fucking stupid character dynamics between Vincent, Hojo, and Lucrecia and craptastic voice acting, but its shitty gameplay with ten billion invisible walls, crappy sniper handling, downright retarded AI, and TWO ENEMY CHARACTER DESIGNS IN THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME.

[alaturk.livejournal.com]

there were a lot of LITTLE TINY DETAILS that i liked about it and it at least tried to be more cohesive than say, AC. i wanted to kill myself for the voice acting and i'm having trouble playing ANY 3rd person camera if not for its wonky controls, but overall, i guess i'm glad i actually played it. and, y'know. didn't pay for it.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

It had a few decent points, and I liked anytime Vincent was being the way he's supposed to be and not a whiny little bitch, like when he starts talking to himself around level ten or so...

...but overall my impression of the game was total crap. All it needed was Hojo with a curly mustache tying Lu to train tracks.

Fortunately, I work at GameCrazy and get free Hollywood Video rentals so I got it free too.

[shahni.livejournal.com]

All it needed was Hojo with a curly mustache tying Lu to train tracks-That's like the best image in the entire world. But to throw my two cents in, before I became the impossible Rufus/Vincent fangirl I did (I'm actually kinda happy that's catching on right now among really awesome fans) and before I had access to the internet, I was a hardcore HojoVin fan, and that was probably the only thing I -rp'd- back in the day, so I really had no clue about anyone 'being in control' of the fandom.

Actually, I still love it. It's just sad that some people would waste time getting angry and hating on new things, when all the new info can just be used to their advantage for characterisation and such. Who cares about other fans, just enjoy yourself and be creative? It's worked for me, anyway! :D

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, for me it has VERY little to do with fans and much more to do with me thinking the new stuff is just complete and utter shit.

I don't want to use the new material for characterization improvement because it's not an improvement; it's just crap.

My favourite character went from a cynical, smartmouth but still aloof guy with a lot of issues AND, HERE'S THE BIG ONE: A RESOLUTION... to a complete emo gothy faggot with a shitty backstory in a shittier game.

So that's why I'm angry.

Sorry if I offend.

[shahni.livejournal.com]

Actually, I agree with you there. One of my first thoughts was, "Does VINCENT VALENTINE need a videogame?" and he -didn't-, which is what made things even more upsetting. Complete with the insertion of two random Mary Sues, we know for certain Square-Enix is milking the series for all its worth.

However, it's obviously not going to change anything now that the game exists. Does that change the character we've adored for ten years? I think the game's saving grace was that Vincent -didn't- change from what we saw him in FF7. And that's what I -appreciated-. Though, I could have done completely without what they did to Lucrecia and Hojo. ._. It was just.. guh. I lost all respect for her thanks to it. That's why I'm trying to get back into OGC stuff again, hoping to relive what I liked about them.

So don't worry, you're not alone in that line of thought at all. And please, there's no offending here. Just opinions, right? :)