[ SECRET POST #4417 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4417 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

02. https://i.imgur.com/P3HBus0.png

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the movie version of the city was beautiful, but from the first time I saw this movie, I have been annoyed by the lack of evidence of agriculture and infrastructure around it. It's like it was just plonked down there in the wilderness with no way to feed and supply itself and no connections to a wider economy and society. We do see some kind of port when Aragorn arrives with the ghost army, but that's it.

[(Anonymous)]

It bothers me too now that you've brought it up.

[(Anonymous)]

I do dislike it. Not so much because it's unrealistic, but because it makes the world feel empty and inhuman and hollow, like a stage facade with nothing behind it. That's really one of my big problems with the whole Jackson trilogy - the world doesn't feel lived-in, and Middle-Earth of all places should feel lived-in.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought they did a really good job with some things, such as distressing the costumes so they didn't look brand-new (I particularly like the bit where they let Bilbo's vest hang for a while with rocks in the pockets to stretch the pockets out and make them look well-used), and I thought they did a good job with Bag End and the Shire in general. I know people have had complaints about Meduseld similar to the complaint in the secret, but I was okay with the depiction of Rohan. I will handwave anything about elven realms because ~*ELVES*~. Minas Tirith, however, just does NOT hang together as a believable, functioning city - let alone Gondor as a functioning nation - when viewed from the outside, not even as a city/nation that has degenerated and long been beleaguered by war. I would at least expect to see things like burnt-out farmsteads and evidence of field divisions like fences or stone walls. I would expect to see roads, even if they are deserted and not well-maintained.

[ayebydan]

I feel like it all started well; with the shire like you say and then it just....became less important because omg battle took over.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but IMO the problems started as soon as they got to Bree. The design of Bree felt like it was solely around being Terrifying to the hobbits, and nothing else. And then it got worse form there.

[philstar22]

I agree. It just doesn't work. Even the first time I watched, I thought the walls looked too thin and flimsy compared to what I would expect. Some of the locations in the movies work for me, though less and less so the more I watch. But Minas Tirith does not work.

[(Anonymous)]

In addition to everything everyone else has said, I am only just noticing that there are only four tiers instead of seven.

Fuck Peter Jackson and all his works.

[(Anonymous)]

Looks like it was based in part on Tolkien and in part on Breugel's Tower of Babel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tower_of_Babel_(Bruegel)#/media/File:Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elder_-_The_Tower_of_Babel_(Vienna)_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg

[tabaqui]

It's visually stunning, but yeah - none of the big cities in the movies made sense, because you have to have *so much infrastructure* to maintain something like that. Where is the food, the fuel, the water coming from? Where is the stuff coming from that they can't make? Where are all the roads that lead from everywhere to this huge city by a river that should be a hub, not a citadel in the wilderness?

[(Anonymous)]

Also, where does all the poo go?

[tabaqui]

AND THAT TOO! :D

[(Anonymous)]

I like it as a citadel, but they should at least have had ruined infrastructure around it. And when the ghost warriors showed up, I was most surprised that there was suddenly a river, because where were the wharves? It wasn't enough of a contrast to Rohan, and it really should have been.

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't Tolkien's city have black walls, like Isengard? (My copies of the books are packed up in boxes so I can't verify this.)

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the movie version was stunning from a distance but the closer shots (namely of Faramir and his men riding their horses through the streets) weren't as good. It definitely looked like a movie set and not a lived-in place. The interiors at Rohan were better IMO, and Hobbiton was best of all. Lack of practicalities and realistic infrastructure don't bother me as much.

[(Anonymous)]

The visual impact of the city has to add to the story. Minas Tirith stands alone and is run by a mad man. Strength has left the line of men. Hence the forbidding citadel in the middle of the wilderness appearence. It looks like a skeleton scoured clean. I thought it was bloody brilliant design for tge impact it had to make.

I like the Jackson movies. But to really do LOTR justice I think what we really need is like an 8 hour long, properly done epic version with all the details from the book.

[ayebydan]

Yes. As beautiful as the movie version looks and as much tension as it builds for battle it comes across as unpractical. Plus, any reader just looks at it wondering where the rest is and not in a 'it works for a movie way'. Just a 'you didn't...finish it' way.