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⌈ Secret Post #4491 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[greghousesgf]

I'm curious about it but I don't want to pay hulu any more $$ than I already do.

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't HBO have a free trail subscription in your country?

[greghousesgf]

I think that only applies to cable TV, not online services.

[(Anonymous)]

IDEK how this is a debate in 2019. It was common knowledge back in the 1990s. But celebrities got away with anything and everything back then. That's just how it was.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think I've ever actually had it acknowledged in rl. Is it, or do I just hang around the wrong circles?😥

[(Anonymous)]

Indeed. I was a child who barely knew anything about music in general but I knew that MJ was a pedophile. The most shocking thing about this documentary for me is how it’s apparently news to some people.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah i think he was too,sadly people could see undeniably proof and still deny it because of his music

[(Anonymous)]

Because people lie, and it's always convenient to do so when the person they're accusing isn't alive to defend themselves. Of course I haven't watched the documentary, so my opinions pretty moot. I remember the case against him back when this all started though, and the parents pretty much admitted to forcing their kids to say these things because they wanted money and attention.

[(Anonymous)]

What are the advantages a person gets when they call themselves a rape victim?

[(Anonymous)]

In this case, I'm guessing sympathy and the satisfaction of destroying someone's legacy in death.

[(Anonymous)]

Because it doesn't change anything, because he was never convicted of anything, because a full-ass federal agency investigated and didn't find shit... take your pick. Dude who previously went on record as saying it was all bullshit turns around and goes, 'actually it was all true here is my sad story' isn't gonna convince everyone, lbr.

[anarchicq]

Chandler's(First accuser) dad threatened to Ruin Michael's Life when he didn't give him money. It is recorded.

Chandler's dad gave his son "truth syrum" but it turned out to be Sodium amytal, which is used to plant false memories.

MJ willingly allowed a full investigation of his body and home.

No child porn was found in Neverland Ranch despite some reports. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/no-child-porn-found-at-neverland-thenor-now-the_b_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8 Of course this doesn't mean he didn't show adult porn to minors.

Chandler couldn't correctly identify MJ's anatomy.

MJ's second accuser (Sorry can't remember the name) made accusations and it went to court and MJ was found not guilty.

His then wife Lisa Marie apparently never saw anything untoward.

Corey Feldman, who's very vocal about being sexually abused in Hollywood, maintains MJ's innocence. Now, I've heard it said that MJ viewed Feldman and Culkin as equals, and thus weren't ideal as victims and I admit that's plausible.

Wade Robson was going to choreograph the Cirque du Soliel MJ show but was dropped from it, motivation for a smear campaign.

Apparently, and I have nothing backing this and don't know specifically what to google but people who were involved in other MJ Projects with Wade are behind this doc, and hold a vested financial interest in HBO and this doc.

True crime docs are HUGE right now.

All we have is the men's words. "He gave me this ring, we had a wedding ceremony.", there's no evidence, what if it's his grandmother's ring or something?

Robson and Safechuck have photos of notes and things, but so does MJ's actual nephew which say things like "I had a great time last night", and acknowledges that in the wrong hands, that can look really, really bad.

He was obviously messed up and not normal, but I don't think he abused kids.

[(Anonymous)]

It was said that Robson had a breakdown after he was dropped from that cirque du soleil show... so I could see that happening.

I don't think victims should be discredited because they didn't come forward in a timely fashion. I also should point out that abusers can't abuse everybody, otherwise the jig is up. Still... there's too much out there to just blindly accept that these men are being truthful about having been molested by Jackson. Maybe there is some truth to the documentary, but the best lies are often woven in with the truth. I think Michael maybe did demote some kids from "best friend" status when they got too old. But I don't think he was diddling them at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Cory doesn't support him anymore and grooming kids is something mj seems to have did. Just because you didn't see video of it doesn't mean it didn't happen also. SHe was hardly his wife they were not married that long also. The accusers. Were not paid for the doc . also i mean your Defending someone you didn't even know but go off music should not be this important when it comes to Rape and abuse and why would they lie one when he is dead and 2 just so people can make death threats and call them lairs and such as you are these man have families and i sure they dont want them threated like i have seen just because they spoke on it .

[anarchicq]

I'm not saying that it's not possible, I'm just saying facts. Yeah, maybe for the...3 months or whatever Lisa Marie was with him, she didn't see anything. But it was still 3 months where she didn't see anything.

I didn't mention music at all. That's like saying "Oh because R. Kelly/Chris Brown/Cosby/Saville made entertainment they couldn't possibly have done these things." Which we all know is false. I don't care about his music. If a person did bad shit, then I would stop supporting them. I'm one of those can't separate the art from the artist people because when you give them money, you're helping them do X Bad Thing like pay off hush money, lawyers, flee the country...

I just think there's not enough hard evidence that MJ hurt kids.

[luxshine]

What Corey said was that he couldn't say that Wade and the other accuser were lying, but that HE was never abused by Michael, not that he couldn't support Michael anymore. Now, I am not going to call anyone a liar but the FBI documents have been public for a while and THEY didn't find anything. I find it hard to believe that if everything that the accuser say is 100% truth, that the FBI wouldn't have found him guilty.

And well, I am not defending Michael to death. If new evidence comes through and it proves completely that he was guilty, then he was guilty. But I believe that there's also something shitty about bringing the accusations back (when he was found not guilty by authorities) now that he can't defend himself and when those accusations have caused his daughter to try to kill herself.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, OP who wrote the facts about MJ, which does put the accusers in a new light.
To the OP who states it's clear he's a 'peodophile' if you look at the situation deeper, you'll see things aren't so clear cut. Why do you believe the accusers just because they make a biased four hour doco saying he abused them? The more I look into it, the more I think they are attempting to besmirch his name and earn money from the estate.
I'm disgusted by this, and frankly, ironically, amazed that OP doesn't see what is obvious. There are true victims of abuse out there and what these two con artists are doing is beyond reprehensible.
There are so many things that make no sense, this is why a lot of people are questioning the two men who have come forward.
I saw footage of Wade Robson being interviewed by Kimmel(?) who made a joke about being abused. Robson brushed it off, not seeming the least affected, stating again that MJ didn't do anything to him. Would that really happen if he was groomed and abused? Oh yes, he was in 'denial', 'in love' with MJ.
For years, he has talked fondly of MJ, until recently, when he lost the Circe de Soleil show. Hm... interesting...
Wade Robson has said he is a 'master of manipulation'. Doesn't that offer a clue as to his intentions?
Where are the other accusers? Surely now they can come out of the woodwork. that's what usually happens. Look at Kevin Spacey. Harvey Weinstein. If he is a prolific abuser, as they attest, why are they the only two who have come out recently?
Macauley Culkin even recently came out and stated he didn't see any hint of any abuse, whatsoever. MJ was a great friend and he still thinks of him fondly. So you think Macualey is lying?
Corey Feldman has not stated he saw any abuse, nor was he abused, but he stands with those accusing, because of the abuse (from other people) him and Corey Haim suffered. That's completely understandable, from his side.
What really sells it for me (and yes, I've seen the doco) is they simply didn't act like people who had been abused. (People will say every person deals with molestation differently and this is true.) However, there are commonalities amongst molestation victims, which the simply didn't show. I saw an interesting youtube clip, from a psychologist who works with abuse victims, and he went through the body language 'tells' that pretty much all abuse victims show- these 'tells' are subconscious. The 'accusers' didn't show any of them. Why? Because it was an act. Their stories changed, not in the way that people who have been abused can't get times and dates straight- that's understandable. I'm talking about so-called manipulations that occurred when they were adults. To me they came across like actors, and not even particularly good ones, at that.
Also, no abuse victim wants to talk in DETAIL about their abuse. The doco made me sick. I felt manipulated and angry.
The thing that clenched it to me, is that as an adult Wade Robson spoke on Michael Jackson's behalf in his second trial, stating Michael rang him up and begged him to talk on his behalf.
That... makes no sense.
Why put the man you 'abused' as a child on the stand? Isn't there a chance he'll crack under the pressure? If he's a master manipulator, why not choose a kid he didn't abuse?
It's just not a good defense strategy, has too much of a chance to unravel.

[(Anonymous)]

Haven't seen the documentary, but I'd say that people don't want to believe it because they like his music. They bought into the public persona and/or admired him, and don't want to lose that idealized image they have of him.

But yeah, I think he was a pedophile, and I've thought that since before the trials in the 90s. There was a lot of gossip back then about it, and even he admitted that he slept in the same bed as the children. He just got away with it because he was rich and famous.

[scrubber]

Oh you had to step on this mine here of all places.

And yes. I don't get it either. I thought we all knew, but someone dies when they are only 50 and that's going to change a lot about how people talk about them, as asinine as that sounds.

[(Anonymous)]

MJ talked about how he shared a bed with the boys. No adult I know who isn’t a pedophile would think that’s normal and okay and not crossing a ton of boundaries.

[(Anonymous)]

to all the people - especially the logged in folks - who are playing devil's advocate for mj are disgusting.

[(Anonymous)]

And if it turns out that these two men are lying about the abuse, are just trying to trash his legacy, and that MJ never molested kids at all, that would make you the disgusting one.

Think about that before you start flinging insults.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen it, but I think this is one of those things where we're never going to get a satisfactory answer. That's really discomforting but there it is.

[(Anonymous)]

Haven't seen the documentary, but I'm pretty sure he was doing SOMETHING he shouldn't have with some of those kids. Grooming and abuse can take a lot of forms, not just straight up "diddling."

That being said... I think it's fucking stupid that people are pulling his music. He's dead!! He's not making any money off streaming downloads, so unless the argument is that his kids somehow were enabling his pedophilia in the '90s, there's no reason for a boycott at this point. He can't profit or hurt anybody now. Like, I am literally waiting for R. Kelly to die so I can go back to putting Falling Through the Sky on fanmixes. :\