[ SECRET POST #4501 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4501 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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05. [SPOILERS for Avengers: Endgame]



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06. [SPOILERS for How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World]



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07. [SPOILERS for Homestuck Epilogues]
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Comments

[supermanda]

I'd like to know why you think so, OP!

[(Anonymous)]

Tony and maybe Natasha are the only ones who got fitting sendoffs (although her not getting as big a funeral as him was offensive). Steve's story was terrible. Thor's story was terrible and not at all faithful to his character. Nebula's was okay in parts and not okay in parts. Bringing back a different Gamora was offensive. Captain Marvel was not given enough to do. Needed to see the Wakanda characters.

I also just think as a general rule what they did with time travel and how they explained it and different universes in this movie has really mucked things up for future movies and also past movies. This sort of thing works well in comics, but I don't think it translated well on screen (case in point, Steve's story, what universe does he even end up in?).

[(Anonymous)]

>her not getting as big a funeral as him

I think you mean, NOT GETTING A FUNERAL AT ALL.

[(Anonymous)]

I assume she got some sort of quiet funeral off-screen. But it pissed me off we didn't see it. It should have been a joint Tony and Natasha funeral.

[(Anonymous)]

> Steve's story was terrible.

Why? It was foreshadowed that he had a tough time getting used to the future and couldn't get a life. Although the timeline made no goddamn sense, but none of the time travel did.

> Thor's story was terrible and not at all faithful to his character

Fat jokes aside, which were very unnecessary, what was wrong with his story? He felt like a failure and sank into depression. The fact that Frigga actually got some closure was great.

> Nebula's was okay in parts and not okay in parts

Like...?

> Bringing back a different Gamora was offensive.

offensive

> Captain Marvel was not given enough to do.

She was busy with other shit, and... given the narrative, there really wasn't much she could do? I guess help get the Infinity Stones, but they had it pretty well handled. Plus, this was the send off for the original Avengers, they wanted to give them the most screen time.

> Needed to see the Wakanda characters.

See above - they're the new crew, they've got new movies ready to roll.

But yeah, the fact that they brought up every other time travel movie and was like "those are all bullshit" was funny because of how poorly explained their time travel was. Especially where the hell Steve ended up. Why not just call it alternate dimensions?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but Steve’s story was a mess. So you’re telling me Steve was so selfish he was willing to override Peggy’s agency and allow Bucky to be tortured for 70+ years because of his crush on Peggy because he felt out of place when it was shown he had friends in Bucky, Nat, and Sam? Also that he was willing to sit by and let SHIELD his crushe’s life work get invaded by Hydra and just sat on his hands for so many years because lol duncurr im married now?? Come on, Steve’s story was a mess. They basically smashed the reset button on his characterization so hard that it’s not Steve anymore.

Also way to reduce Peggy to a trophy.

[tabaqui]

Everybody keeps saying that Steve and Peggy is a 'branch' timeline and not 'his' original timeline, since nothing changed when they went back. So Loki stealing the Tesseract back is a branch, Steve and Peggy together is a branch, etc.

Still utterly fucked and stupid, but yeah - supposed to not be the 'movie' or 'prime' timeline.

[(Anonymous)]

YES. I agree with like 95% of this.

[(Anonymous)]

>> Steve's story was terrible.

>Why? It was foreshadowed that he had a tough time getting used to the future and couldn't get a life. Although the timeline made no goddamn sense, but none of the time travel did.


The winter soldier was all about him letting go of the past and moving on. Just like Peggy tells him to do.


Bringing back a different Gamora was offensive.

>offensive

Yeah, if they replace old Gamora with the new one as a love interest, that is pretty awful.

[(Anonymous)]

Who knows what they're going to do with Gamora.

[(Anonymous)]

Spoiler: They are going to pair her back with Peter because heteroromances, no matter how terrible, are great and one grean alien is just as good as another, amirite?

[philstar22]

Yup, exactly. Endgame totally ignores all of Steve's character development in his own movies. He has not been wallowing in the past. He's moved on. He's happy where he is. He's got friends. He's got family (Natasha, Sam, and Bucky). He's happy.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, if they replace old Gamora with the new one as a love interest, that is pretty awful.

Hahaha, but that's comic books for you. Seriously, I won't get into the merits of fictional reset buttons right now but you have to know your material.

Honestly, keeping Gamora 2.0 around and dealing with the ensuing fallouts would be the bolder choice. So they're not gonna do that. Here's how they're actually going to go about it: in the next Guardians film, a cosmic something something will imbue Gamora 2.0 with all the memories of her OG self, up to and including dying at Thanos's hand. This should be a traumatizing event, but in universe it'll play out as nbfd. We're back at pre-IW status lineup-wise, and Marvel gets their cake and eats it too.

[tabaqui]

I think Steve had been doing fine, actually. He told Tony that the guy who wanted a 'picket fence' was not the guy who came out of the ice. He didn't constantly look at Peggy's picture in CW or even in TWS (or AoU, or Infinity), so suddenly making him a big, mopey guy pining after her was lame.

They gave Steve and Bucky virtually no story closure at all. No, we weren't going to get a Steve/Bucky dip-kiss, but they barely *spoke*. It was ridiculous and infuriating. And then he gets old and will be dead fairly soon and so Bucky is abandoned and alone. That's *awesome*. I really thought Steve's storyline was lame as fuck.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry you're so sad your precious Stucky didn't sail like it was never going to.

[tabaqui]

Oh, please fuck off.

[philstar22]

Because that is the only reason anyone could possibly be unhappy with the storyline.

[(Anonymous)]

It has nothing to do with Stucky. Steve's characterisation throughout Winter Soldier and Civil War has been about finding Bucky and helping him adapt to his new surroundings, to try and cure him. Steve has also seemed pretty happy to be the leader of the avengers. There was no hint whatsoever he was still stuck on Peggy (even going so far as to kiss her niece!). Old Peggy herself told him to move on and he had.
End game retroactively changes all of this, and in the process belittles all that he has been doing to help his bff Bucky, takes away Peggy's autonomy from awesome kickass woman to Steve's girlfriend and makes no sense for Steve's character.
Yep, the last ten minutes of End Game made no sense whatsoever for how Steve's character has developed over ten years.

[(Anonymous)]

i'm good with him ending up with peggy because i think they're cute, but that doesn't mean i don't see how glaringly bad the writers have been treating the steve+bucky friendship since tws.

this is supposed to be one of steve's longest and most defining relationships and yet since CW, and even during CW tbh, it felt like nothing more than 'oh i guess they know each other' it's weird alright? and doesn't track with how important they're supposed to be to one another. this isn't wanting an entire avengers movie focusing on them, but wanting their relationship to feel more than just casual acquaintances, which imo it doesn't.

i'm not one for shipper conspiracy theories but in this case i can actually buy that someone, or several someones, in the line are telling the writers to deliberately keep them apart because there is no reason for them to be as separated as they are.

and this isn't coming from someone who expected bucky to suddenly be headlining the mcu, i think he's alright and that's it, but his relationship with steve should not be as hollow as it is.

also: given steve going back in time for his HEA this means that he sat on his ass for however long 1. knowing that peggy's organization was filled with and overrun by hydra, and 2. knowing his best friend was being TORTURED the entire time.

... that's not a little bit shitty to his character that's A LOT shitty.

[(Anonymous)]

Your second paragraph is exactly how I feel about Steve's storyline.

[tabaqui]

SO FRUSTRATING!

[(Anonymous)]

It's weird how hard the Russo's tried to downplay or ignore the relationship between Bucky and Steve, even in Civil War it felt kind of weak. You can tell they really didn't want to give any bait to the shippers.

[(Anonymous)]

They don't care about shippers, like, at all. Bucky just isn't as important to the story they're actually telling as fans built him up to be.

[tabaqui]

I read that they filmed a bunch of the Endgame stuff before BP came out, so they had no idea the movie would be as big as it was, and wished they'd used the Wakanda characters more. They also said they filmed Captain Marvel's Endgame stuff before they filmed Captain Marvel itself, so again - a matter of weird and fucked up filming.

Also a matter of writers *once again* not having a single clue of how to write a super-powerful character.

I figured they had a quiet, small funeral for Natasha that was just her closest friends, because she was a private person, and some big to-do would have been odd. I hate funerals, anyway, so hers being 'off screen' didn't bother me.

Nebula kicked fucking ass and I love her now more than ever.

I detested Steve's story.

[(Anonymous)]

They can always make more Black Panther and Captain Marvel movies where they are the stars and not sharing the screen with Tony et al. This is was not their last chance to have something to do.