[ SECRET POST #4522 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4522 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[The Matrix]


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03.
[Mr Meaty]


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04.
[Roxanne from A Goofy Movie]


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05. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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06. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]

[Arya/Gendry]


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07. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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08. [SPOILERS for Avengers Endgame]



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09. [SPOILERS for Avengers Endgame]



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10. [SPOILERS for Dawson's Creek]



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11. [WARNING for abuse, etc.]

[ProJared]



















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #647.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

So if Ramsay had flayed people and sicced dogs on his stepmother and newborn brother, but hadn't hurt Theon (who murdered two children himself) and Sansa, people would stan him like they did Tormund?

And what about Euron Greyjoy? Why wasn't he stanned for like Tormund was, then? He was funny and he didn't hurt any important characters until his fight with Jaime in the finale.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes. They were starting to stan and ship him with Theon. Ramsay's early Theon torture was at acceptable levels, I guess. Then the emasculation/castration happened and that all but killed the ship--for the most part. I've seen (Not Read!) the post mutilation Theon/Ramsay fics.

After that he became the bad guy everyone couldn't wait to see killed as deliciously as possible.

Euron Greyjoy?

Dafuq you bringing up Euron Greyjoy for? Euron Greyjoy was barely ever a fucking character to begin with. How many goalposts you gonna keep pushing back?

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[(Anonymous)]

People liked Ramsay as a bad guy, they didn't stan him like they did Tormund. And the people who shipped him with Theon have been shipping them since the books, it's not like they didn't know how bad he was.

And you're the one who keeps moving the goalposts.

You say people who like Tormund overlooked his crimes because he wasn't a big character.

When you're asked why Ramsay didn't get the same treatment you say it's because he hurt the big characters.

Then when you're asked why Euron didn't get the same treatment, you say he doesn't count because he isn't a big character, which is the same argument you've used to justify Tormund's popularity. So which is it?

And while we're at it, both Tyrion and Theon are rapists in the books (in addition to Theon's child murder), and Tyrion strangled Shae while she was defenseless and pleading with him. People still like their characters. Your original argument was "People still support Dany because feminism lol" like people haven't forgiven or overlooked other characters doing horrible things when they're fans.

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[(Anonymous)]

You little scamp!

We were always talking about the show's versions of the characters, and you know it.

Try again.

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[(Anonymous)]

Theon still murdered two children in the show.

And you still haven't answered why it's different for Euron and Tormund with how only the latter's crimes are overlooked.

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[(Anonymous)]

First, or is it again? Nobody cares about Euron. Guy kills a dragon and the most fandom can muster in response is a yawn.

Secondly, Tormund's crimes are easy to overlook because he only hurt people no one cares about, and a lot of it was implied and happened off screen.

And then there's his crush on fandom's darlings: Jon Snow (we all know it's true) and Brienne. Fandom will ignore a lot of shit if the fan service is tight.

I don't get how any of this is so hard for you to understand? You seem to have zero common sense, and you act like you don't now how fandom works. I was kidding before, but are you really a kid?

Your lack of fandom experience might explain why you're so out of touch and confused.

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[(Anonymous)]

So for all those other characters, the fans overlook their crimes because they like them.

But for Dany, the only reason why the fans still like her is because "Misogyny! Men can't handle women with power! Spoon!" and not because she was a popular character.

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[(Anonymous)]

The difference? Tormund's fans know who he is. They accept that he's a killer and they don't make excuses. They don't think anyone who judges him is being unfair and hypocritical.

And if Tormund had gone 'round the bend like Daenerys did in the finale they wouldn't be all over the internet saying, "Go, Tormund! Kill more innocent people, and put some stank on it!"

Daenerys fans? They think just because the world didn't fall at her feet and worship her, every baby she roasted during her fit of entitled rage was justified. Fuck, they think she should have killed MORE.

And in their minds anyone who was horrified at her actions just can't handle a woman with power using her power, even if it's in the most depraved way imaginable.

It's like reading fan mail to serial killers.

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[(Anonymous)]

That's easy for them, since nobody judges Tormund for what he's done, and in the show he's just portrayed as a lovable guy.

And most of the Dany fans aren't saying she was justified. They think she got a raw deal, both from the other characters and from the writers, but they don't think what she did was right.

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[(Anonymous)]

Did you even read the secret this thread is attached to?

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes.

If someone burned down a KKK convention, I wouldn't shed a lot of tears. That doesn't mean I'd say the arsonist was right.

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[(Anonymous)]

Spoken like a true sociopath.

You are a Daenerys fan!

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[(Anonymous)]

If you want to support the Klu Klux Klan, that's your business.

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm anti burning people to death.

Just because you stan Daenerys doesn't mean you have to imagine people dying in fires.

It's a bit much.

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[(Anonymous)]

Like I said, I wouldn't support it. I just wouldn't feel too bad for them.

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[(Anonymous)]

Apathetic disinterest in human suffering perpetuates human suffering.

It's not your fault though--caring is hard when you're a sociopath.

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[(Anonymous)]

You sound white.

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[(Anonymous)]

Nope.

Black as midnight.

But that's good. When people start busting out, "You sound white," I know they've depleted what little intellectual ammunition they had.

"You must be white."

Classic!

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[(Anonymous)]

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[(Anonymous)]

No more words, huh?

You've given up. Too bad. Verbally slapping you around was fun.

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[(Anonymous)]

No, I'm just having trouble believing a black person would be upset over a hypothetical KKK convention burning down.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yay! (Ahem)

Well, I do.

Fire is unpredictable. Are firefighters going to be risking their lives to put out the inferno? What about the surrounding buildings and the people inside them? And that's more endangered firefighters. What about any non-Klan members inside the convention? Like janitors or security? What if Klan members brought their kids?

It's called thinking things through. It's about considering the unforeseen consequences of violent actions. It's called being an intelligent, decent person.

The opposite of you, apparently.

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[(Anonymous)]

So if only the KKK members themselves died, you wouldn't care?

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[(Anonymous)]

Finally! An intelligent question. Good for you!

Well, first, I'd consider the murderer out of control. I'd understand what drove them to take and risk so many lives, but they would need to be caught and suffer the consequences of their actions.

And, yes, I would care.

A lot of Klan members were born into the cult, and I've seen so many leave it and completely turn around as people; there's hope as long as there's life.

I only condone killing when it's in self-defense or in the defense of others. Randomly massacring large groups of people, even incredibly flawed, misguided people is beyond inhumane--it's inhuman.

Now, if you'd used Nazis as an example (and, no, they are not the same thing--not YET), and I mean dyed in the wool, real fucking Nazis? That's a different story. I still wouldn't condone setting their conventions on fire, innocent people might get hurt, but a clean bullet to the back of their skulls IS self-defense and the defense of others. It's not only perfectly acceptable, but necessary.

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[(Anonymous)]

Except I already said I wouldn't condone it. I just said wouldn't cry a lot over it.