[ SECRET POST #4528 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4528 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

They hate Stark because they sat next to their dead family and stared at a bomb with STARK INDUSTRIES on the side for days. I think that would make me hate someone too.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, but if you're going to decide that becoming a Nazi science project is a viable life choice, you probably ought to go after the people who dropped the bomb on your family instead of the guy whose company manufactured it. Pietro and Wanda did the equivalent of becoming rogue cops so they could hunt down and murder the guy who owns the store that sold the matches that were used to burn their house down, while completely ignoring the arsonist.

[(Anonymous)]

They didn't know they were joining a Nazi offshot. They were traumatized kids who were approached by a kindly authority figure who offered them the chance to save their country.

[(Anonymous)]

That's definitely an opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

That's canon.

[(Anonymous)]

It is what happens? Like, in canon.

[(Anonymous)]

What's canon is that they join up with a kindly man from Hydra, a well-known Nazi splinter group, and stay with him well after they realize that they're hanging out with Nazis because their revenge boner is stronger than their desire to not hang out with Nazis.

And all of this is a perfectly acceptable backstory for a couple of complicated characters designed to move from sympathetic antagonist to eventual protagonist, except they aim their "Fuck it -- it's worth being on Team Nazi to get our revenge" angst at the asshole who owns the company that made the bomb that killed their family instead of the assholes who actually dropped the bomb. And that is just stupid. Granted, it's not more stupid than what every other character was pumping out in AoU. But it's not unreasonable to expect people to be smarter than the Avengers in Age of Ultron, as a general rule.

[(Anonymous)]

They canonically did not know it was Hydra.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - Yeah, and honestly, how well-known is Hydra to the general public within the world of the MCU? Weren't they portrayed as a secret division in The First Avenger? And since they operated from within SHIELDS in the modern time, wouldn't they have an interest in staying even more lowkey?

[(Anonymous)]

Someone was staring at a Glock gun while being held hostage. Do they hate the company Glock GmbH or their kidnapers?

[(Anonymous)]

They don't HAVE a direct person like a kidnapper. They have a *very* popular celebrity who brags about making weapons. It isn't like Tony Stark is just some unknown gun manufacturer. He is a celebrity. If Tom Cruise made a crossbow that killed your parent, you would hate Tom Cruise.

[(Anonymous)]

This was my thought. Tony was never exactly low-profile.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I hate this kind of comments: Imagine a terrible thing happen to you, what'd you do?

I think their motivation is illogical. Most people whould hate the person who dropped the bomb and wouldn't side with criminals to get their revenge. It just doesn't make sense.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

They did also hate the people who dropped the bomb; Steve just wasn't one of them because at the time he was "dead" and completely out of the picture. Tony, on the other hand, was the face of Stark Industries at the time, and according to the first Iron Man movie was actively involved in advertising and selling the weapons with his name on them. They can hate America AND Tony in that situation.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Now I wonder if they ever went after those who dropped the bomb. I'm a movie Wanda fan but I've never seen it explored in fics.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Elsewhere in this thread, you seem baffled that people would hold weapon manufacturers accountable for global conflicts and think that they exist to "arm US soldiers with the best weapons". I don't think you're qualified to comment on what's politically realistic.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

And here's why we have so few named users on fs.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? "guns don't kill people, people kill people"? That's really the line of defense that you're going with here?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
My line of defence is that literally no one hates weapons manufacturers irl. Most don't even know their names.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know about "hate", but there are definitely people in real life who are highly critical of gun manufacturers and weapons manufacturers on political and moral grounds, and probably would go so far as to call weapons manufacturers evil.

And if you're talking about small arms, people definitely do think that gun manufacturers are culpable - whether morally or legally - for some gun crimes. They've literally been sued in court for it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but most manufacturers are a faceless corporation. Tony was a famous celebrity.

[(Anonymous)]

Remember when Northrop Grumman was going to team up with Marvel and there was a massive outcry so they didn't? Like, last year?

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, yes, they do. When people criticize the military-industrial complex, that's what they're talking about. Arms companies irl aren't in the business of promoting their CEOs as rockstar celebs, but people well-informed on the subject will at least know the names of the biggest defense contractors no matter how much they try to hide behind corporate anonymity.

[(Anonymous)]

+1