[ SECRET POST #4531 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4531 ⌋

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[fscom]

03. https://i.imgur.com/Vciw65e.png

[feotakahari]

Conjecture: this is tied to the idea that anime characters are “white.”

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno how you got that from this secret, but the idea that 'all anime characters are asian because the writers are asian' is just stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's exactly the same thing - there's still at least a minority character in existence. Whitewashing the asian character would be worse.

But I agree this doesn't solve a problem, just replaces the problem - whitewashing - with another problem - erasing a canon minority character from the screen. There's a level of hypocrisy in supporting one while decrying the other, for sure.

Has there ever been an instance where a black character was replaced by an asian one? Black FSers, would you feel the same about that?

[(Anonymous)]

Because we all know POC are interchangeable. *hard side eye*

[(Anonymous)]

Where are these blackwashed characters at? Because I want.

[(Anonymous)]

Outside of fanart I guess, the upcoming Artemis Fowl movie. Domovoi Butler aka Butler was Eurasian in the books and looks explicitly Asian.

[(Anonymous)]

Detective Pikachu I guess? Also BH6's cast were originally all Asian.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, there was one in The Martian. In the book, the manager of the Ares program was Venkat Kapoor, but in the movie he became *Vincent* Kapoor, was half African American via his mother and was played by Chiwetel Ejiofor (who is a Briton of Nigerian descent).

[(Anonymous)]

Is this about Detective Pikachu? I was disappointed that there were so few Asian characters with speaking roles but at least they were several Asian faces in the movie instead of 99% of the characters being white. (It's a low bar to clear, I know. Hopefully the sequel will do better.)

[morieris]

IDT it's exactly the same thing, but I agree that it isn't good.

[(Anonymous)]

It's exactly the same thing just with different racist bullshit at play.

[(Anonymous)]

If this is something like L being black in the Netflix Death Note, can I just say that, as an Asian person, I don't actually mind when Hollywood casts non-Asian actors for their American remakes of Asian properties? Like, I actually don't understand when one of these adaptations is announced and people seem really surprised that the producers are jettisoning the Asian settings and characters -- of course they would be doing that, otherwise why bother remaking it? The Korean adaptation of Boys Over Flowers feature Korean characters, not Japanese. The Vietnamese version of Miss Granny obviously doesn't keep the setting Korean, even though the film is almost shot-for-shot identical.

So yeah, I do celebrate it when at least some actors of color are cast where in the past they probably would have gone for an all-white cast, even if it makes no sense. I do want them to cast more actors of Asian descent as well, but not because the characters in the original properties might have been Asian. Asian Americans are just severely underrepresented in the media. This past year's brought some surprisingly random wins though. I found myself enjoying A Dog's Journey more because the love interest just happened to be an Asian dude.

[(Anonymous)]

Depends what it is, doesn't it? The things that have really been strongly criticized for this - the Cameron Crowe movie with Emma Stone whose name I forget, and the GITS remake - I think it's fairly reasonable to say, you know, these are things that are still set in Hawaii or Japan, so it's really weird to make the characters no longer Asian. It's different to me when it's something like Death Note where the setting itself was changed.

IDK, it really does all depend on context.

[(Anonymous)]

I was just reading an article on foreign re-makes of BBC shows:

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-48188037

and I would agree that if you're going to wholesale transplant a premise into a different setting and culture, it makes the most sense to adapt the premise to that setting and culture, which may mean casting people who are not all the same ethnicity as in the original (not to mention changing other things). If you're keeping the setting, then things will be different.

[(Anonymous)]

You'be gotta remember that to Americans all people who look white, black or Asian are part of a uniform block of humanity and the relationship between these races is the same everywhere in the world as it is in America.

Your examples of different cultures remaking things with their own settings is completely incomprehensible to these people because, as one fruitloop above said 'at least they'd still be a minority '.

[(Anonymous)]

THERE'S A VIETNAMESE VERSION OF MISS GRANNY?!

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you have a wrong view, especially considering how underrepresented Asians are in Hollywood.

But I'd also like to politely point out that whitewashing has more historical context and cultural clout than your example of a black actor being cast, who is still a minority. White roles are the overwhelming norm even compared to black roles in Hollywood. So I think whitewashing represents a bit more than casting a black actor in an Asian role. The transgressions aren't really equal in terms of larger context, but I agree they are equal in terms of an individual movie nixing an opportunity to cast an Asian actor.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000
Couldn't have said it better myself

[(Anonymous)]

OP of the comment secret here to add that this is mainly heavily aimed at fanworks (in addition to "official" adaptions or castings).

[(Anonymous)]

If I never see another 'racebending' of the Sailor Scouts, I will be a happy woman (most especially because they almost always leave Rei/Sailor Mars as Japanese, which makes it pretty clear to me that the artists are only thinking about what they see as 'Japanese', and don't give a fuck about the actual characters).

[hey_hey_hey]

Is this partly about the casting in The Martian? If so, I saw people who did complain about it. If it's about people not saying it's equally offensive, ok... It's messed up, but there's not as much historical precedence as Hollywood casting white people or having white people doing straight up Yellowface.

[(Anonymous)]

Very true.

[(Anonymous)]

I suspect that I'm going to wake up to this comment being a tire-fire, but this reminds me of something I was vacillating on making a secret about. So the latest compilation of Lemony Snicket quotes and such includes a ton of fanart that obviously were author-approved. And a TON of those pictures had the Baudelaire kids as black.

But Daniel Handler/Lemony Snicket and many, many little things in the books have the Baudelaires as canonically Ashkenazi Jewish. Who are pretty much all on the lighter end of the skin color spectrum.

And it's like -- why is it okay to change my race, just because my skin is white? There's incontrovertible genetic proof separating Jewish people from other people of similar color. We are 1% of the entire world's population -- if that isn't a minority, what is? Or is it that being able to pass means I don't get to claim a separate identity from miscellaneous white people?

[thewakokid]

OK LETS PISS OFF SOME PEOPLE:

I agree. It IS just as bad.

In that it's not bad at all.

Unless the story necessitates the race of the character*, the best actor for the job should get the job.

*(Like, lets be honest, no-one wants the main guy in "Get Out" to be cast as a white guy, and Edward Nortons role in "American History X" being played by Denzel would have been... Actually maybe that might have been good. Denzel Washington can play just about anyone IMO. I'd have liked to see that. But you get where I'm driving at with this)