[ SECRET POST #4544 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4544 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

On one hand, I dislike all the casting for the Horsemen except Death, but I suppose it was an attempt to get more PoC in the mix ...

... (except that most of the PoC (othetr than Anathema and Pepper) were evil. There is that.)

[anarchicq]

What was wrong with Famin's casting? It's been forever since I read the book. I remember suave, slick business man...

I wasn't big on Pollution's casting either, nor Beezlebub but only because she was throwing me major Lenny from Legion vibes and I found it very distracting.

[(Anonymous)]

Mary Loquacious is a bit morally flexible, but is she really evil? Uriel's not any more of a dick than the rest of the Heavenly Host. And calling the Horsepersons evil oversimplifies them a bit. It's a bit like calling mudslides or wildfires evil.

[(Anonymous)]

What was your problem with Pollution’s casting?

[(Anonymous)]

Everything. Just. Everything.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, could you vague it up a little more for us?

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, let me rephrase: There is not a single thing about this casting that I don't hate.

[(Anonymous)]

But yeah, in detail: I liked Pollution a lot as a character in the book. His design, so to speak, was, imo, very effective - the contrast between his complete colourlessness and the nature of literal pollution, his relative appearance of age in comparison to the others etc. - I think casting a POC for the role was a bad choice both design-wise and tact-wise, really. In general, I found the horseperson casting weirdly racist.
I also don't really like that they cast a woman and made the character nonbinary but that's my old shipper heart back from my rarepair bookfandom days speaking. Petty, but another one of the reasons for me to hate the casting.

[(Anonymous)]

That's... a really weird take. Why was the casting racist? Should POC not be cast as villains?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but I can see why casting ALL POC as villians in something and all non-POC as good in the same thing could definitely be racist, but I am struggling as how GO's casting could be when the POC characters were all over the good/evil spectrum (and like someone else said, do the Horsemen count as evil anymore than natural disasters do?).

[rivia]

specifically in pollution's case, i feel like a white dude would have been better, just because it's usually white men who are in control of the corporations that are directly responsible for pollution.

that said, if they're making a character nonbinary, cast a nonbinary actor.

[(Anonymous)]

No. But making the black guy Famine while Africa has the biggest problem with starvation and the Asian lady Pollution when several Asian countries have some of the world wide biggest issues with Pollution is kinda racist. I might be reading too much into it but it rubs me the wrong way.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, it's contradicting your headcanon! The book's been out for a long time, people have developed long-standing headcanons and get very huffy about them. Why are Crowley and Aziraphale not bishies? Why is Anathema not white? Why do the Horsemen look like actual humans acting?

[(Anonymous)]

tbh it's pretty racist to say that POC can't be villains.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the casting for everyone was perfect, honestly. The fact that the angels and demons weren't all white guys but a mix of men and women and skin tones.

I also had no problem with Pollution, even as a die hard book fan. Pollution is a horseman. There's nothing that states the horsemen HAVE to pick a sex/gender.

[(Anonymous)]

TV Pollution didn't look like the Pollution I've had in my head since college (this is my favorite book, the only novel I've regularly re-read when I normally prefer to read new books, and it's very personally important to me for a host of reasons)... but I really liked them.

I think the actress is lovely and I think Pollution being non-binary works-- in fact, I think Pollution being non-binary and a PoC makes SENSE, because Pollution isn't SUPPOSED to look like the corporate architects of pollution, they're SUPPOSED to blend in at the ground level where they can press the wrong button at the right time.

If Pollution can be taken as a man or a woman, can be read as ethnically ambiguous depending on where they go, it makes their job of blending in on oil tankers and in waste processing facilities and nuclear plants and chemical labs that much easier.

(Doesn't change my shipping preferences, personally)

I do miss the 'consumptive poet' look and wish we'd seen more of that come through, but I still like what they did and I like the actress a lot having seen her performance.

[(Anonymous)]

Then why was War still a woman? Because afaik, women are still not the main instigators of wars in the world.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but War in the book tells Brian and Wensleydale she can make them fall in love with her, so the idea is that men love War. And I’m pretty sure tv War’s “you’re born in me, you die in me” or whatever the line was, was a really bad sort-of pun: women give birth to boys, and then they grow to men and die (in the little death sense) in women.

[(Anonymous)]

Which makes sense in the book but doesn't actually make much practical sense so I don't know why this has to be a requirement for Pollution.

[(Anonymous)]

Because War's function as a horseperson/entity is different from Pollution's??

War isn't on the ground level the way Pollution is-- in Pollution's pre-apocalypse background/scenes, Pollution is someone who hits the button that dumps the waste, is blending in and moving from place to place.

War DOES NOT DO THAT. War goes someplace, STANDS OUT, and creates chaos. War is described as beautiful from far away. Not up close.

The horsepersons are not identical in the way they work in the world, so their humanoid appearances don't need to follow the same set of rules as each other-- they are meant to be distinct.

And so it works for me, though certainly not for everyone, given they were already very different from each other in the book, to have one man, one woman, one non-binary humanoid, and one skeleton. The horsepersons were never homogenous.

[(Anonymous)]

Funny because everything I hear about this show makes me not want to watch it even more.

[(Anonymous)]

And nobody is stopping you.

[(Anonymous)]

Luckily, no one will ever make you.

[(Anonymous)]

I hated the casting of all the horsemen. Holy shit.