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Wait, Will from Stranger Things is canon gay? How'd I not hear about this

NAYRT: Yeah, the last I heard on the issue was "open to interpretation."

But even if "word of god" (vomits), headcanon and let headcanon is good for me.

the series bible mentions it. And the script for the s2 finale has him eyeing mike at the dance.

I guess that explains why everyone ships them.

(I'm against it, Mike's not good enough for Will, Will rules)

The series bible didn't have an out lesbian in it until the actors came to the conclusion that the scripted relationship didn't make sense as performed. Just saying that production documents are not canon.

Like the ending to Blade Runner? Improvised on set.

Robin wasn't in the series bible period

See!

You're acting like the series bible said she was straight and the show changed it

Season 3 scripts paired her romantically with Steve. That was changed after filming for eps 4 and 5.

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/maya-hawke-stranger-things-robin-coming-out-1203276425/

So basically you're saying that Will is written as gay, but they could change their minds and degay him

We interpret what gets shown on the screen after thousands of person-hours of production and post-production work. Scripts and Bibles are just the early parts of that process.

It shows their intent when writing the character. You're saying you want them to change their minds and degay him.

NAYRT

I think the point is that what shows up on screen is what shows up on screen. There's a fundamental difference between para-material, no matter how interesting it is, and what actually makes it into the show.

Their intent and a quarter might buy you a cheap candy.

If writers choose to beat around the bush with ambiguity, viewers are entitled to come to their own interpretations. And after decades of LGBTQ headcanons, often of explicitly straight characters, it seems really stupid to get all territorial and pissy about ace headcanons.

That’s like the people who say they should change tiana’s race since they did ariel

No. It's really not.

You're saying that headcanoning straight characters as gay is the same as headcanoning gay characters as asexual.

The difference is, there isn't exactly a dearth of straight characters.

No, I meant that headcanoning characters whose sexuality isn't specifically stated as gay or asexual is equally valid. If the character is gay in canon, then that's kind of iffy, but there are asexual people who are romantically interested in the same gender so I don't think it's awful or anything. Like, for example, an asexual person who's interested in the same gender sees this canon gay character who clearly likes the same gender but doesn't seem particularly interested in sex itself and identifies with them and thinks "hey, maybe this character is like me!"...idk, I just don't think that's some horribly problematic headcanon, but that's just me.

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(Anonymous) - 2019-08-03 02:25 (UTC) - Expand

Wait, which character are we talking about here that's textually gay?

(Anonymous) - 2019-08-03 02:19 (UTC) - Expand

You do realize that:

1. Will isn't a real person, just a fictional character shown to us after thousands of hours of TV production, and he doesn't really have a sexuality beyond the work as streamed on Netflix.

2. A headcanon doesn't really do anything other than satisfy that person in the audience. Shipping Kirk/Spock for decades doesn't make TOS magically gay. Racebending The Princess and the Frog strikes me as in poor taste, but it's doubtful Disney will indulge that.

And yet shipping gay characters with someone of the opposite sex is generally frowned upon in the fandom, even though none of them are real

(Anonymous) - 2019-08-03 03:09 (UTC) - Expand

Along with the other things mentioned, there was the big blow up with Mike in season 3, when Will wanted to play D&D and all Mike and Lucas wanted to do was talk about Eleven and Max. Mike said to Will something to the effect, "Just because you don't like girls..." which could go either way, but I do think was meant to indicate he's gay.

I really liked that line actually, but I didn't read it as a signpost to sexuality one way or another. It's just such a massive space for anxiety for a kid in a situation like Will's - on the cusp of puberty, watching his friends get into relationships, still wanting the same kind of social bonds with them that he had before, afraid of change, etc, etc, - even before getting into the worry or the fear about being different and being gay. And it's such a shitty but plausible thing to have thrown in your face like that.

IDK if I'm really agreeing or disagreeing I just thought it was a good line.

Agreed, it is a really good line and I like that it can be interpreted in different ways.

Early on in season 3,there's a scene where he's arguing with Mike (who's being an asshole) and Mike says something like "It's not my fault you don't like girls!" and Will looks utterly devastated.