[ SECRET POST #4593 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4593 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[(Anonymous)]

I don't want to be rude but this seems like a pretty marked overreaction. I agree that harassment is bad and I think that sometimes people are pretty silly when they're using LGBT rep as an excuse for ship warring. But I don't think it's bad to demonstrate that there's an audience for this stuff, or to give feedback about what you want and what you're interested in.

Especially in TV! TV is a serial medium! By its very nature, one of the distinguishing characteristics of TV is that the people making it can respond to their audience as they're in the process of making it. I don't think that's a bad thing, or a failure to respect the auteuristic vision of the creators.

[(Anonymous)]

If even a quarter of what I hear about that series is true, then I'd argue this is a marked under exaggeration. They petitioned for a make believed 'true' final season to come out where two of the dudes get together, and harassed the creators and companies for 'censoring' it. And that's one of the lighter things that happened.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sure Voltron fandom was really bad. I'm not saying that Voltron fandom was good. I'm saying that I disagree with OP's secret, which isn't specifically about Voltron. I agree that harassment is bad but I don't agree that it's "cringey and entitled" or "disgusting" or "walking all over someone else's vision" to want a ship to be canon or to say so.

I don't know what else to say really.

[(Anonymous)]

You're right that interaction and sharing your opinion with writers and creators is generally good, but that isn't always the case. The image the OP used is Voltron, so while they didn't specifically say so, it's still pretty well implied (or a really great example) that it's about Voltron.
You can have a casual conversation about ships and canon with a creator, which I agree is fine, but people tend to get really creepy about it, like how the Voltron fandom acted, which isn't.

[(Anonymous)]

But even then, I think the problem with Voltron fandom was the harassing and the creepiness. OP seems to be talking more generally about asking for things being the problem - all this stuff about how it's "walking all over someone else's vision" to ask someone to "give you what you want". And I fundamentally just don't agree with that - it's only a problem when people take it too far, which Voltron fandom is an example of.

[(Anonymous)]

I suspect the OP used the word "badgering" as opposed to "asking" deliberately.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

In that case I do agree. Kinda like how a beta, or comments on a fic shouldn't interfere with the decisions an author makes creatively. Just so long as nobody expects the author to change everything to suit their tastes, it sucks when some people don't know or care what or where the line is, and that sometimes authors feels compelled to shift things because of that. Giving suggestion, and assuring someone that if they decide to go a certain way they would be supported by their viewers, is a good thing absolutely.

I do tend to cringe a little bit when people get really 'fandomy' out of a fandom setting, but I'll admit it's mostly because of those Voltron type fans. I forget sometimes it can be done tactfully. Unfortunately I think it's rare that it is done respectfully.

[(Anonymous)]

DA. You sound like you weren't in the fandom, lol. They legit were sending death/rape threats to the cast and voice actors.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't defend Voltron fandom.

If the secret is just supposed to say 'Voltron fandom is bad', I'm sorry I misread it.

[(Anonymous)]

prior to five years ago, TV series with their serial nature were made without any contact with fans. at all. they had story arcs and seasons and character arcs planned out in advance so they could tell the story at their pace and woe betide the series that got cancelled after season 2 when those arcs weren't finished. meaning, your assertion that TV series are made with audience feedback in mind is flawed. At best, for the last 60 years, the only feedback the show creators ever got was Nielson ratings two weeks after the airing of an episode, and even those weren't always indicative of who enjoyed the show vs who was just watching out of habit or because they had to kill half an hour before the show they really wanted to watch.

if you want proof that the ability for fans to share ideas with creators is a bad idea, look at Game of Thrones and Once Upon A Time. Shows made to take fan desires into consideration, or in spite of them, turn out awful.

[(Anonymous)]

Can you please name some examples of shows with rigorously planned story arcs executed without interference from fans or other outside forces?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm bi, and taking a twist with characters who have been developed as straight for multiple seasons strikes me as bad writing and bad representation. It ain't just about kissing girls for six years and then kissing a guy out of the blue.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm also bi and married a bi dude and we had a kid together, so I can understand how most people would look at us and get it wrong, but I agree that representation on screen is a different matter than irl.

The nice thing about one of the male leads on Voltron was that he was shown to kiss nobody for several seasons and only at the end did we learn he was gay. It's not the best rep, I would have preferred it was open from the beginning, but at least it's canon now for a kid's show. Representation has to start somewhere and then improve.

[(Anonymous)]

Full agreement.