[ SECRET POST #4688 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4688 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Same, OP. I love their dynamic and how it's evolved over time without romance or sex being a factor in it.

[philstar22]

I've only caught a couple episodes, but I really enjoyed their dynamic. Now that the show is over and we know they didn't take them there, I think I may try watching from the beginning. I usually love friendship ships. But this one seems better left not romantic.

[nightscale]

Honestly I adored their dynamic because it was a rare case of a man+woman friendship where it was never romantic and stayed that way. Like they'd both die for each other in a heartbeat, and they absolutely love the shit out of each other, but they don't want to be with each other and it never lessened their relationship or was treated like that was a bad thing.

And I love romance myself! But I also love friendships and don't think m+f versions of those get anywhere near enough love most media. (I also love the Clint+Natasha dynamic for the same reason, two very close friends who adore one another, but it's not romantic)

[(Anonymous)]

Before the show aired, I really wanted them to be attracted to each other and have UST and be the endgame couple and all that. I just generally ship Holmes/Watson, and the fact that Watson was going to be a woman in this iteration made it seem like there was FINALLY a chance for the Holmes/Watson relationship to be canon. So I was disappointed when the show didn't go that way.

However, I really can't be bitter about it, because as the secret says, there aren't many stories (especially TV) that let a male and female lead be extremely close and important to each other without pairing them up romantically. So I accept the relationship for what it was and give a nod to the show for doing what it did there.

I never did watch past episode 3, though, and I have no interest. I just found it all kind of clunky and obvious. But that's how I feel about 98% of Big 3 (Big 4?) Network TV these days, not just Elementary.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually haven't seen much shipping at all in the Elementary fandom. Most of the discussion I've seen of their relationship is how wonderful their completely platonic love is.
...and occasionally talking about how subby Sherlock is. But even that is non-sexual, as far as I've seen.
Maybe we just follow different people?

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen much either, but then I haven't really gone looking. Typically what I come across is more to the mainstream side of fandom, like people writing episode reviews for websites, rather than stuff like fic.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention she had a whole relationship with his brother

the idea of romance never happening to them is what was so refreshing because literally every other show makes this dynamic romantic

[(Anonymous)]

Same.

Plus in the last season, did he not specifically say "I love you" and there was never any "Oh, but WHAT DOES HE MEAN?" drama. It was just understood.

[(Anonymous)]

That was in the second to last season, but yeah. In the last episode there are a few scenes that ARE kind of ambiguous/a gray area, and it's weird because the relationship is kind of romantic (or at least what's more traditionally perceived to be romantic) in some ways (there are several aspects that aren't really present in most friendships) but definitely not in any sort of traditional way.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know the show, but I know how you feel. there are a few friendships I love and would be disappointed to see them turn romantic. I have a friend who doesn't get. Their logic is if I like characters as friends then I should like it them as a couple.

[(Anonymous)]

that's a weird mindset, for me romance and friendship are different concepts, both important, just different. me liking a fictional friendship doesn't mean i think they'd make a good couple or even like the idea of it, and not in some preserve-the-sanctity-of-friendship kind of way, just in a i-literally-don't-see-romantic-potential kind of way.

[(Anonymous)]

I really love them and love how their relationship turned out. I went in trying not to ship, because I didn't want to be disappointed if it never went that way, but found it very easy not to ship and things stayed that way right until the end. (I'm not going to get militant about people shipping them, though. I'm not opposed to shipping this pairing, I just don't myself.)

[(Anonymous)]

I agree.

[ninefox]

Option 1: writers assume M/F is obvious default, put no work into developing their relationship or chemistry, everyone is sick of shitty shoehorned in romance and BEGS AND WISHES for platonic M/F friendship please!!!!!

Option 2: writers do NOT assume M/F is obvious default. Puts actual work into their friendship. Shows them learning from each other, relying on each other, caring for each other, growing as people and enriching each other's lives. SHIPPING FODDER OFF THE CHARTS. WHEN! WILL! THEY! KISS!

That's some catch, that catch-22.

(For this reason I sort of simultaneously ship it and don't ship it, but I'm glad they stuck to their guns and didn't make it canon.)

[(Anonymous)]

I completely agree.

Just binged the whole show and am thrilled to see an Elementary secret!

[exposeyou]

I agree with this so hard. I normally love a bit of shipping but I was thrilled that they didn't go there with Holmes and Watson. It was so refreshing, and they are such an interesting friendship.

[(Anonymous)]

If 9 out of 10 shows have a hamfisted het relationship with no emotional buildup and you can't even understand why the woman would even give that guy a chance, and then on the other hand you have Elementary, I can't really blame the shippers for wanting to see it, you know?