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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-11-24 03:29 pm

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(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
It always feel like a very, very young person is writing the scene to me, because once you're A Grown Up™️, you kinda have to learn how to cook (something! anything!) or you starve.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
You really, really don't

(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT but the idea that you don't is imo coming from a place of rich privilege. The thought that you can just buy premade food (takeaway or just from a grocery story) and never have to cook anything and not go broke from it... is unrealistic for the majority of people in any country.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
da- nah man i live on welfare in my country and really, buying cheap premade is extremely viable it just tastes like hell. im clinically depressed so that shit is vital for me when i can't do anything but boil water or turn on the oven.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
nayrt but nobody claimed you don't go broke from it. Lots and lots of people live mostly off takeaways and convenience food and yeah, they're broke. It's not "rich privilege", this is just sad reality.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, in my experience the cheapest way to eat is with pre-packaged just-heat-and-serve types of food. It's pretty terrible for you, of course, but you can live off of it and it's cheap as dirt. Back when my father and I had a food budget of $100 per month for both of us, we lived off of no name burritos which cost $10 for 18 burritos, discounted dollar-store cans of ravioli, no name spaghetti with no name mushroom soup sauce, Kraft Dinner with frozen peas, etc. (We're doing much better now and we eat a lot healthier, for the record.)

I actually think that having frequent, balanced home cooked meals made with nutritious, healthy foods is an indicator of a certain amount of financial privilege. Not by any means an unreasonable amount of privilege, mind you. A good amount, an amount everybody should have. But not everybody does.

Meals like that usually cost more and take more time and effort to prepare. And yes, you can cut down on the cost and time by buying ingredients in bulk and making large batches of things. Unfortunately, I live in a 2 bedroom 600 square foot apartment; we have next to no storage space and only a small fridge-freezer. So buying in bulk and freezing large amounts of food for later is out of the question.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually think that having frequent, balanced home cooked meals made with nutritious, healthy foods is an indicator of a certain amount of financial privilege. Not by any means an unreasonable amount of privilege, mind you. A good amount, an amount everybody should have. But not everybody does.

What. The. Fuck.

This is so fucked up I don't even know where to begin. Cooking from scratch is more expensive than takeout, to the point it's considered privilege?? Where is, this, America? Jesus.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I assume you're being sarcastic, but if you're not... yes, America. When you're poor and don't have the money to maintain a pantry of staples and spices (which are expensive unless you buy that tasteless Dollar store crap), or time to prepare things from scratch, then dinner for $1 at McDonalds sounds like the most cost effective option.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
Read the comment again, dude. If you even read it the first time. No where in it do they say anything about takeout.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Pre-packaged is not takeout. Did you even read the comment you're replying to?

It cannot be a surprise to you that a can of ravioli is cheaper than a piece of chicken, spices, brown rice, butter, fresh veggies, and some kind of dressing? If you can make the latter for $1 flat, I wanna know where YOU live.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
Well personally, I live in Canada, and takeout isn't quite as cheap here as it is in the US. Which is why I didn't ever say anything about takeout. But heat-and-serve or boil-and-serve shit out of cans and boxes is a LOT cheaper than fresh food, and frankly, that's true all over the place. Maybe not everywhere on earth, but it's true in far more places than just Canada and the US.

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(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
It's not. Anyone who believes that is just perpetuating a fallacy and is either too lazy to learn to cook or do the actual math to see the cost breakdown. I cut my monthly grocery bill almost in half when I learned how to cook for myself instead of living off prepackaged shit.

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(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 10:48 am (UTC)(link)
I have to say that this was my experience in the States, when I lived there for 4 months and had very little money - a pack of pre-made burger patties was 3$ on sale, a freaking apple (one!) was 0.89$. The freaking lettuce was imported from Hong Kong as it showed in the price (to this day I don't understand why a supermarket located in Massachusetts had to import lettuce from HK). I had an honest to god cry in the supermarket out of frustration when I first realised that I can afford the unhealthy stuff but I can't afford the amount of veggies I used to eat at home. Maybe that was just the area and there were cheaper vegetables somewhere else, but that really shok me.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
+1000000 when I was poor this was prett much exactly what my diet looked like. It was bad and it didnt teach me anything about cooking, but it's what I could afford.

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+1

(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
Thirding this so hard. people who haven't had to make their food budget stretch this way just don't really know what they're talking about in my opinion. When you stand in the frozen food section and try to justify buying the frozen patties that are $0.60 each and taste good instead of the ones that are $0.45 and taste like sawdust and grease, but you're not sure you can justify it. I vividly remember those days, and I wouldnt have eaten that slop if I could've afforded anything else. :/

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(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Cooking from scratch means you can eat well* for less than the cost of getting the equivalent food pre-packaged/takeout/at restaurants, but it won't be the cheapest of the cheap. I guess maybe you could buy dry beans and prepare those with little to nothing on them for the equivalent of the dollar store pre-packaged food but I feel like that would be even more dreary than eating the pre-packaged stuff, and that comes from someone who likes to eat a lot of chickpeas (I put stuff on them and mix them with other things).

*more appetizing, tastier, more variety and interest, higher quality ingredients, healthier (e.g. less sugar and salt, or at least, you can control how much, as well as what type and how much fat, etc.)

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(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Instant ramen. Cheap and unhealthy.

(Anonymous) 2019-11-24 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean... you'd think that'd be the case, sure. But it's not. Tons of people don't know how to cook. They don't starve, because modern society has tons of convenience food, fast food, etc. There are people over 18 who live on their own, but eat a diet that consists mostly of boxed mac and cheese, hotdogs, chicken nuggets, etc. It's sad, but very common.

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(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
Knowing how to make Kraft Dinner is basic cooking skills though. There are bad cooks, who burn their toast, and then you have the astounding level of bad cooking like Fuuka, from Persona 3 who "didn't think one teaspoon of liqueur was enough, so she used a cup", while holding up a bottle of vinegar.
In the real world people know not to do this. Especially today where there are so many step by step videos cooking isn't as hard as people make it out to be. I don't mean like soufflés, but fresh basic meals can be very easy to manage. A lot of the people who simply eat out, and order fast easy meals like that do it for ease rather than a complete inability. Not to mention that sort of living isn't healthy, it's not a good way to survive.

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(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
da but yeah, I raise an eyebrow at anyone who can't even do something as simple as scramble an egg or make a stirfry because those are just basic life skills. You put something in a pan and stir it around until it's cooked, it's not like making a souffle or baking a cake from scratch, and in this day and age of the internet you can find step by step instructions and videos that show you exactly how to do it. If you can follow instructions, you can make basic meals.

I mean heck, one of my coworkers is a fresh college grad who is living on his own for the first time and he's been regaling me with photos of things he's cooked because he's been teaching himself how to cook thanks to the internet.

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(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
I raise an eyebrow at anyone who can't even do something as simple as scramble an egg or make a stirfry because those are just basic life skills.

NAYRT - I agree with your whole comment, but I also think a lot of people who say that "can't cook" don't actually mean they can't cook. They just mean they're not very good at it and they're not very impressed by their own cooking. Like, I can totally cook stirfry, but I often put one vegetable in too early and another in too late and I end up with a final product that...is fine for me to eat, but I wouldn't feel proud to offer someone else? So like, I can cook plenty of things, but I used to say "I can't cook" all the time because I'm just not very good at it. Now I say "I'm really not much of a cook," or "I don't really cook that much," because that's a little more accurate and less misleading.

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(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
This was precisely my point when I said learn to cook something, anything! Like, making spaghetti is considered cooking, even if you use canned sauce. You literally just boil water and heat up the sauce!! And you've cooked! Because you're a grown up and feeding yourself and/or other people is a necessary life skill!!1!!

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(Anonymous) 2019-11-25 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
Like I know right! They don't have to be a master chefs, but simple common sense does go a long way.
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[personal profile] rivulet027 2019-11-25 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately not everyone has common sense. Heard second hand from my grandma several years ago one of the women didn't have baking soda for the cookie she was making for the bake sale so she used toothpate since it said it has baking soda in it.