[ SECRET POST #4738 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4738 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/1pmGIBE.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Without the people always asking for more though, we wouldn't be here from where we were before.

Without them now, we won't get any further from here.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, how dare people ask for more than scraps?

Listen. I get it. I wish more people these days acknowledged the progress we've already made too. But that progress doesn't mean there's not still a long road ahead. Scraps are better than nothing, sure, but they're still not actual equality.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I want other people to be as misrepresented and unhappy as I was! Let's make no progress at all and stay oppressed!
(Seriously??)

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

And I have no sympathy for people shouting "what more do you want" for what is objectively far below what cishet people are already getting.

We don't say it's not good enough because it failed to be better than before -- we say it's not good enough because... well, because it's not good enough

[(Anonymous)]

OK Bootlicker

[(Anonymous)]

Lol why is Elsa in this secret? No one promised us LGBT content in Frozen 2 and we got none.

[(Anonymous)]

probably because Elsa had a big hastag campaign to give her a girlfriend.

[(Anonymous)]

There have been thinkpieces on entertainment news sites about how her big song from Frozen 2 is a gay anthem, and fandom has decided that's the same as Disney themselves saying Elsa is a lesbian.

[erinptah]

Mmm, mixed feelings.

I don't like when fans shout "Not good enough!" over representation that the creators obviously cared about, and worked hard to get in, and probably would've done more with if they didn't have management holding them back. (see: Shiro on Voltron, certain characters in the new She-Ra)

I'm fine with fans shouting "Not good enough!" when the creators throw in some blink-and-you'll-miss-it representation, or use an interview to mention some not-in-the-text-at-all representation, and then go around patting themselves on the back about how wonderful and diverse their writing is. (see: Lando in Star Wars, LeFou in the live-action Beauty and the Beast, that nameless extra in Avengers: Endgame)

And Elsa is a weird choice for the image because she isn't any kind of representation at all. "Not actively giving her a male love interest" isn't even a scrap of queer content, it's just a blank slate. I'm 100% here for fans who fill that slate with queer interpretations, but it's coming from us, not the canon creators!

[nightscale]

+1

Intent matters, and tbh I can normally tell when it's the case of a creator caring but having to adhere to studio restrictions(She-Ra, Steven Universe, Adventure Time), because those characters are usually still treated with love and care by the creators.

(I only mildly disagree on Shiro, because he wasn't visibly LGBT in any way before the very end montage of the show, and he was originally meant to die at the end of s2 so if plans had gone accordingly their only LGBT rep would have been removed from the show early-on).

LGBT rep that's tossed in as an afterthought is lazy and annoying, but it's the attitude behind it that irks me more, that a scene that can be edited-out is 'groundbreaking' and something these media companies will pat themselves on the back for. Like okay, you threw in a little something, I can appreciate the gesture to some extent, but you're not getting praise from me when it's so minimal sometimes I 100% miss it.

You can do better than that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, don't half-ass it and then go on the publicity circuit hyping what you did. I also find it mighty curious that Disney has the tightest control of what talent is allowed to say in the business, but everyone is talking up fanon ships and headcanon sexualities.

(Although I feel I'm missing something with She-Ra. One explicitly gay couple, one explicitly lesbian couple, and multiple close-up shots showing that Adora has a thing for women with big muscles.)

[nightscale]

So because it used to be worse we can't expect better? We should just sit here with scenes that can be easily edited out for conservative audiences and be fine with that?

If you don't care then that's your opinion and you are allowed to have that, but those of us who want more than 30 seconds that can be literally erased from the end-product without issue are also allowed to have our opinion and to expect better.

[venusundae]

i sometimes find myself falling into a mindset like this and then snap myself out of it when i realize that - for me, personally, at least - it's what happens to me when i get overwhelmed trying to be that "i'm not here to step on any toes!" queer. like a comically overly "polite" response to the sort of "okay fine, exist, but stop shoving it in our face!" kind of homophobes, if you will. so i mean i get where you are coming from, even if you're coming at it from a different place than i am describing.

so that being said, i do absolutely wish to respect all those that came before me who made the less than ~loud and proud~ representation even possible. and those kinds of things in media make me happy sometimes. i feel like the world is a more accepting place to be growing up a lesbian than i felt it was when i was a kid even just 10 or 15 years ago, and that's amazing! but it doesn't mean we don't still have a ways to go, for kids growing up like i did as well as for kids growing up in worse situations that i can't relate to. and media representation is only one aspect of that, for sure. but i am still rooting for normalizing lgbtq characters and storylines in media to a fuller extent than we've seen.

[(Anonymous)]

no comment except to say perfect avatar choice

[(Anonymous)]

You're part of the problem.

[(Anonymous)]

I knew everyone was going to be on your case in the comments, but I definitely get where you're coming from, even if I only partially agree with you.

Any one instance of representation is never going to be all things to all people. In fact, it probably won't even be all things to any one person. That's not a failing, that's just fiction having natural limits. So if I get the impression that the creator(s) had genuinely good intentions, and truly made an effort, then I'm not going to malign their efforts - regardless of whether I personally enjoy the result of their efforts.

[(Anonymous)]

I completely agree.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm turning 30 in a few months.

I still want more.

Complacency means we NEVER get more. This isn't good enough.

[(Anonymous)]

I also grew up with nothing, and you know what? The lack of representation plus my living in a small town meant I didn't know a damn thing about myself growing up-- I didn't even begin to understand what my feelings meant until college, even though in retrospect it should have been obvious from an early age.

While I don't appreciate the way some people demand more when they don't understand the struggle a lot of creators have to put out what they do put out, and while I'm very defensive of subtext (it's not remotely the same thing as queerbaiting!), I'm really glad that we're seeing more and more of the representation that could have been a good thing for me when I was a child.

[(Anonymous)]

This is exactly how I feel. It will come in time. Making angry demands and getting outraged will get you nowhere. Wish people would channel their tantrums into causes that help REAL people. Representation almost gets in the way of storytelling nowadays.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, they are lucky to have this kind of stuff at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok boomer