[ SECRET POST #4753 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4753 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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04. [SPOILERS for Sanditon]

[Lord Babington/Esther Denham]


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05. [SPOILERS for Legion]



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06. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who, Life Is Strange]



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08. [WARNING for discussion of abuse]



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09. [WARNING for discussion of sexual abuse of a minor]
















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If you're talking about age gaps where both characters are adults, I completely agree.

But if you're doing the whole "fantasizing about fictional adults raping fictional kids is totally fine and doesn't mean anything" thing, then fuck you.

Obviously you can think whatever you want, but as someone whose ex was into underage/adult pairings and would gaslight me into thinking that I was the weird one for being bothered by it, and who was later convicted of molesting his niece, I refuse to accept the "~it's okay because it's fiction!~" argument. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that you can be into that kind of thing in fiction and not have the slightest interest in doing it in real life.

[philstar22]

What about victims who use reading it as a coping mechanism? You going to assume they're interested in doing it in real life too?

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is, many, MANY people who are into age gaps like late teen/adult pairings are people who would prefer to be in the shoes of the younger, not the older.

Be wary of generalising your opinion of fictional interests blurring to real life, though. It kind of problematically implies that being into any fictional thing of a questionable nature implies a real-life interest which is rarely the case.

I'm not interested in killing people, but murderous fictional people? Grand. I'm not interested in being fucked by a dog, but I'm here for dirty werewolf content. Slave collars? Please! Slavery irl? No. Definitely no.

I do agree with you on adult/kid content, though. I'm fine with most fictional situations (your kink is not my kink and that's okay and all), but even if you aren't into that in real life, and I hope people aren't, it definitely takes a special kind of weirdo to enjoy that shit even in fiction. It's where I draw a really hard line. I try not to judge, but I will judge the shit out of that. Yuck.

[(Anonymous)]

IAWTP

[(Anonymous)]

But imaginary bestiality is a-ok? Cripes.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but presumably the difference between a werewolf and an actual wolf is that a werewolf is a transformed human who still (usually) can give consent to sex.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I think the point is you can't immediately judge what a person might be into in real life, based on what they are into with fiction. OP's point is that people can hide behind clean interests. And as you pointed out, some people let their fiction and their real lives spill into each other.

I don't think it's fair to automatically assume that people into underage/adult pairings are pedos. When I was underaged, I would ship that from time to time, and even as I hit 18, I still had ships like Usagi/Mamoru (90s BSSM anime), and I wrote at least one ship I'd headcanoned to be 16 and 26. Mind you, I did have limits as to what I would ship, and as I've grown older, I've lost interest in a lot of that. But as I said, you can't just assume fictional interest = real life interest. It might or might not be true.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yeah, "fuck the abuse survivor because my experience trumps there's" Good look.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

+1
Like, I know right.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, OP is literally doing the same thing so. Weird "gotcha" you're going for.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. The person you're replying to's argument doesn't quite work for that reason.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Well no, the OP is mostly saying that you shouldn't judge a persons behaviours on their interests. Overstating that all people who are interested in problematic ships implies that only people who have those tastes can be violent/abusive. It runs, in their experience, the risk of then implying that people who's interests are relatively tame can't be violent/abusive.
It can go either way is what they're saying, imo. The person who made the first comment is purposely condemning the OP because they disagrees, and saying that the OP's experience is somehow less because

[feotakahari]

If we’re doing it that way, what about people who fantasize about adults raping adults? That’s something like 40% of the female population, depending on which survey you go by.

[(Anonymous)]

Very good point, and even more directly applicable to this conversation than the murder mystery/thriller/horror comparisons. Which are also valid, when arguing that depiction doesn't equal endorsement and doesn't necessarily reflect RL behavior. But rape fantasies further demonstrate that even sexualizing/fantasizing about morally reprehensible acts doesn't equal endorsement and doesn't necessarily reflect RL behavior.

[(Anonymous)]

you won't get much support in this comm because pedos are fine around here, but i agree with you.

ppl are gonna write it, hey whatever, i can't stop that, but i want absolutely nothing to do with them, i will remove them from my online spaces if i can via block/mute functions and i am never going to feel bad about that. you want to write rape-fic with kids, accept the fact that ppl WILL have a problem with that. because i do and you cannot do some weird-ass guilt-tripping shit to try and make me feel bad about wanting ppl like that away from me, and fuck you if you try.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, it's you.

[(Anonymous)]

i'm sorry you're upset that ppl will curate their online experience to avoid topics they dislike. life must be so hard for you.

[(Anonymous)]

"because pedos are fine here"

fuck you.

Fuck you to hell, you self righteous scumbag

Believing that what you read doesn't necessarily equal what you condone doesn't actually mean people are fine with the action in real life. Nobody cares if you block people who write what makes you uncomfortable and its much preferred to the kind of guilt tripping bullying that some people do when they think something is "problematic"

But i know its easy to just say "oh people must love pedos then" rather than accept that people have different opinions on the barrier between fiction and reality.

[(Anonymous)]

okay pedo

[(Anonymous)]

literally no one ha a problem with you curating your own experience. the problem is calling people into that content pedophiles, sending them threats, and accusing them of being terrible people IRL. but sure, go on pretending that's not what's happening.

[meredith44]

I was once into minor/adult pairings. When I was a minor and was crushing on older people/chatacters. I'm sure I was/am not alone in that. From what I understand from other kinks (like noncon), a lot of the time people are projecting on the younger/weaker one, so they absolutely would not be interested in a relationship where they were the adult dating a minor.

I will admit that it squicks me to see minors in sexual situations even in fiction or to see them sexualized as in loli/shota. And I knew someone who was into young characters who ended up getting in trouble for chatting with a 16-year-old. So I'm not saying everyone has to not be upset by it/want to see it or that there is no bleed over with some people. But I'm saying it isn't a 1:1 correspondence, where someone into it is definitely going to abuse people in real life. And I agree with the OP that focusing on things like this meaning that those people are perverts while people who only like wholesome things are never perverts is a dangerous mindset to get into.

[(Anonymous)]

There isn't anything wrong with liking those things. Your abuser lied and manipulated you. That doesn't make the content they used to manipulate you bad. It was just their vehicle of choice.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't totally agree but I think I agree with you more than I agree with OP

[(Anonymous)]

 I just don't believe that you can be into that kind of thing in fiction and not have the slightest interest in doing it in real life.

For a long time I would’ve agreed with you wholeheartedly. Now I’m not so sure.

I think that “what we fantasize to when we fantasize to [thing]” is a really, really complex topic.

Like, I’ve never wanted kids. I’m 35 and I still don’t want kids. I don’t want kids so much that I would quite literally starve myself to misscarriage if I were forced into a pregnancy. Yet, when it comes to fiction, I’ve had a huge pregnancy kink for my entire life. Like, literally, that shit got me excited when I was in single digits, making up stories about my Barbies.

It’s probably related to the fact that I have body dismorphic disorder, and have since I was little. So my brain flips over that neurotic disgust for my body and need to control it, and on the other side, there’s a kink; not a kink about me or any real person being massively knocked up without intending to be (*shudder*), but a kink about the idea of it. Being out of control in that way.

And that’s my incredibly general, ridiculously oversimplified guess for why I have a weird kink for something that horrifies me IRL.

And the thing is, I don’t think I’m at all unique with this. I think most people probably have something that’s weird af and/or dark af that they kink on, purely as an idea, for a complex network of reasons that are incredibly specific to that individual and their psyche and their experiences.

So look, I’m not going to sit here and say I’m comfortable with someone getting off on Prepubescent Character/Adult Character smut. It’s squicky as hell to me, and it makes me really uncomfortable. But at the same time, I have to acknowledge that I genuinely don’t know why they’re into it. In some cases, it may well be because they have pedophilic interests. But in other cases, I think it’s probably a lot more complicated and a hell of a lot more benign than that.