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DA

I don't really get what you're saying here. Playing video games is just as viable as any other hobby you listed. Nobody's saying that you to rearrange your time to play them, but they're just as attention seeking as a book, they're more productive than watching TV, and the effort that goes into a tabletop RPG is astounding, there's no way playing a suitable videogame for fun can take that much effort out of you. Hell, I bet you can find a videogame version of your tabletop RPG easily.
Videogames don't have to be hard, they aren't some labour of love, they're just fun things to take up your time with.

What you don't really get is that some people DON'T LIKE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES and, more importantly, DON'T HAVE TO (I put it in block because jeez, gamers get so defensive ('are you subtly trying to say you are better than us'?)and pushy ('oh, we *know* you'd love it really if only x, y, z' instead of accepting that their hobby is fine for them and not for some others) - qed your comment.

I could spend hours and days knitting and get no fun or profit whatever out of it for exactly the reasons AYRT cites as frustrating about games - ergo it is a waste of *my* time that I could spend doing things I really enjoy.

It's not hard, honestly. And yes, I am pissed. One more chippy gamer in a long, long line, does that to you.

ayrt.

Seriously? Can you take your time out, and then read back through the comments without throwing an absolute tantrum this time.

Sabotabby mentioned how they thought videogames took a lot of effort to get the hang of, and that it'd suck up a lot of their time to get to the point they could play them well.
Anon responded to them, asking how videogames are any different than any other hobby that takes time to become good at.
Sabotabby responded to them that they already had several hobbies, some of which are very time consuming and would no doubt need to be worked at in order to for them to become good at.

I was confused by this as they completely dismissed what the anon had asked, and how the hobbies they listed all fall into the reasoning they gave to describe why they didn't like videogames. I straight up said that nobody was trying to make them change up their schedule or to start playing videogames. I was just curious, nothing more, nothing less.

You might have a point though... I mean, how dare I casually mention that videogames could possibly be used as a form or entertainment. To think I could come across as chipper, or, god forbid, express interest in a hobby of mine. Such blasphemy. I'll be sure to purge all checkers, pong, and mahjong from my phone right this instant in penance!

NAYRT: If you don't like games you don't like games. But quit pushing it off on things like "muscle memory" when there are entire genres of games that are substantially easier to navigate than Dreamwidth.

Presumably for the same reason why you don't take up ballet, learn a new language, learn parkour, volunteer coaching soccer for underprivileged youth, learn how to embroider, or 3D print augmented reality art installations. I don't know you so maybe you do some of these things, but I bet you don't do all of them, because human time is finite.

And that's okay. Not everyone needs to like the same things, I promise!

Why would I want to find a videogame version of my tabletop RPG if I...like my tabletop RPG? And like my gaming group?

If I were to take up a new hobby, I would devote less time to my current hobbies, and I a) enjoy my current hobbies, and b) don't have enough time for them as it is. Having ways to take up my time is not a priority for me as I have a full-time job.

ayrt

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I think you're misunderstanding me here. I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, nor am I trying to get you to replace your current hobbies with playing videogames, that was never in the picture to begin with. I'm just saying that videogames are just as much a hobby as anything else you listed, that the effort put into them can be just as minimal as watching TV, or as mind testing as your Tabletop RPG.
It's just that there is a lot of variation in videogames that a lot of people seem to overlook. Back when Windows 98 was around, it came with games like Chips Challenge, and Mine Sweeper. Obviously those are videogames, playing solitaire on your phone is also playing a videogame.
I don't care what you do in your spare time, it's just odd how you dismissed the first comment to respond to you saying that videogames are hobbies too.

Where did I deny that videogames are a hobby or suggest that they’re a less valuable use of your time than other hobbies?

I think you really want me to be a pearl-clutching anti-gamer, if such a thing even exists, and I’m not. I personally don’t want to take on a new time suck that requires building skills that I don’t currently possess.

ayrt

You completely breezed by the anon who mentioned that learning the basics of videogames is no different than working to improve any other interest/hobby.
Your response to that was an unprompted list of your own hobbies, all which essentially encapsulated everything you said was the reason you couldn't get into videogames in the first place. That you had enough hobbies to suit your interest, and didn't have the time to waste on something new..
Obviously now I can better see where you're coming from, it just seemed rather shady when I first read it. My response was to try to relate your interests to certain videogames because I didn't actually know where you were coming from.

It was mostly my confusion at your original response, and how I disagree with the notion that all videogames need to be worked at, which is probably how I made a mess of things.

The anon who replied to you made a valid point, but rather than acknowledge that, or explain that you just don't have the time to try something new, you went off on a tangent about your own hobbies, with the implication that you wouldn't be interested in try something else. It isn't so much that you said you denied videogames to be a hobby, but your odd avoidance to admit that fact, and calling it a time suck just struck me as strange.

As I already said, I don't care what you do, or what you like. It's just untrue that every single video game takes a required skillset to play.

You both seem awfully defensive about your hobbies. Perhaps more time spent reading books would improve your reading comprehension.

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.

DA. No. The problem really is with you in this exchange. You are simply not willing to concede that some folk don't like what you like and don't want to spend time trying. Their call.

Again, absolutely no one in this thread has suggested that you should, ought, or need to play games. The conversation could be JUST "I don't play games." "Cool." If you don't want to play games, that is an awesome and reasonable choice. There is nothing to concede, because that's been stated explicitly multiple times in this thread.

But, sabotabby's hill to die on is the nonexistence of causal, story-based, and accessible gaming, so that's the issue.

It's really not, but you're either too defensive over your hobby or too stuck in "Someone's wrong on the internet!" mode to see that.

If you concede that accessible gaming is a thing for many of us, then this argument is over.

ayrt

And yet you're the one still refusing to acknowledge anything that I've said, when my original question was essentially how is playing videogames any different than any other hobby. Continually ignoring the actual topic of conversation is no way to actually have a conversation.

How about I make it simple for you. Do you consider (in general) videogames to be a valid hobby, no different than any other interest? Yes or no question.
I've said a number of times that you don't have to like them, you don't have to play them, this isn't about that.

How about I make it simple for you. Do you consider (in general) videogames to be a valid hobby, no different than any other interest? Yes or no question.

I have indeed said it numerous times in this thread, but since reading doesn't seem to be a strong point for you, I'll say it again: Yes, I do.

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