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I don't give them an iota of leeway. It's the rotten core of Americas capitalism being exposed - money from China trumps Democracy and people fighting for it.

My heart bleeds for Hong Kong and those poor students who have been abandoned by the world for fear of China.

If they have family in China, whose safety they have to worry about, they might not have a choice.

This. I'm not sure the anon above you gets that people in China and/or their families have been sent to reeducation camps or disappeared outright for so much as breathing a word against the people in power.

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It's the rotten core of Americas capitalism being exposed - money from China trumps Democracy and people fighting for it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're talking about actors who are Chinese nationals here, right, not Americans? I don't really see how that applies in such a scenario

AYRT Sorry I was unclear on that point. I meant on the additional pressure from American studios on actors not to offend China because of the Chinese market.

You can condemn human rights abuses and still recognize that not everyone has the same degree of freedom to speak out against them (or has the same amount of information about them or hasn't been fed propaganda dismissing them)

If a Chinese celebrity expresses an opinion that aligns with what the Chinese government would want them to say, I have to withhold judgment about what they might really think but I can condemn the heck out whatever they are expressing an opinion on.

Hmm there is some nuance here you are right to point out, but I feel the moral standard being unmet is quite clear

As long as there is the option to say nothing (sometimes actors are asked to comment and that can be tricky), then I'm going to judge a bit for not taking that option.

How would we know if there's really an option to say nothing, though? Liu Yifei is a Chinese national starring in a Disney blockbuster that is guaranteed to get an enormous amount of international press. How do we know that the government hasn't thought to lean on her or apply pressure on her to express her support?

yeah, like I said it can be tricky. for me it's like are comparable people in the same production saying something? is it full-throated support or something minimal? is this happening for every cross-country production and how intense was the sentiment there? are there party ties? that usually tells me what kind of space there is to say nothing.

Isn't the actress in this secret an American citizen?

She moved from China to US when she was 10 and is Chinese-American.

And she returned to China at age 15 and has based her life and career there ever since, where she has family.

Sounds like US and Europe is better than the rest of the World in your opinion. Quite arrogant. I don't know much about HK so I don't presume to understand the situation better than Chinese people. My Taiwanese friend doesn't support HK protests. Do I tell him that he's wrong because Reddit says so? No. Chinese actors might have a diffrent opinion than OP and still be right. What right does OP have to preach about affairs of other countries that they likely have never visited once and haven't spoken to people living there?

I feel like Chinese should condemn all Hollywood actors who don't speak up for free medicine and stricter gun lows in the US. Or spoke up against questionable foreign US policies. Personally I don't remeber many US and EU actors that are critical of their governments.

I get where you're coming from, but I don't totally agree.

On the one hand, I totally agree that people should generally be for justice and freedom across the board, not in one particular society. If anything, people should be more expressive and committed when it comes to the communities that they come from and the places where they live. And there's definitely some people in the West for whom a focus on problems in China is hypocritical, or even a device to get people to shut up about injustices closer to home.

At the same time, framing this as an either-or where actually China is good and people who criticize China are arrogant Westerners, I don't think that's a good take. Partly, it's bad because it leads to the e

I hit post too goddamn early

My point was that taking this attitude is bad because it makes the conversation an either or where one country is good and the other is bad and that's not really ever the truth, and it'd also bad because it's effectively a defense of China in the face of the fact that available evidence suggests that the Chinese government is doing some extremely authoritarian things. And people who are opposed to authoritarianism have a right to stand up and say that's not good.

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