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⌈ Secret Post #5082 ⌋

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13. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]

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On the one hand, I understand why people are so hurt 'cause the finale was terrible and walked back on a lot of character development. I don't think Dean is in love with Cas (though people do come out as bi later on in life, so who knows?), but he does love him like a brother and him not making an effort to look for Cas while in heaven was really out of character. However, I don't think they did it out of any homophobic agenda. They just really wanted the ending to bookend the beginning for whatever reason.

On the other hand, I never thought we'd get something that topped TJLC in terms of fandom wankery and then this did, so it's been really effing hilarious. My personal favorite tidbit is the fact that apparently Obama follows a Destiel account.

I'm sorry, Obama does *what*?

Supposedly Obama follows a Destiel account on Twitter. I haven't checked it out myself to see if it's true or not, but it popped up on Tumblr a couple of times.

Did SPN fans decide that some random other show was secretly going to be the secret actual final episode of Supernatural and make Destiel canon for real

For goodness sake, don't give them the idea!

No, but there's that conspiracy that Destiel becoming canon was cut out for homophobic reasons and the one that a lot of people seemed to have latched onto was that it was cut to make sure SPN's audiences would for sure move onto Walker, which personally doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I do think that the confession in 15x18 was trimmed down for whatever reason and that the Latin American dubbers got an earlier draft of the script (that wasn't the first time that the LATM dub had lines in it that weren't in the English version), but there's no definite proof that this is what happened. There are just a lot of very hurt and angry people who are hoping that Jensen Ackles will release the full scene and we'll get proof that Destiel was meant to go canon.

genuinely believing that a network went to all the head-scratching lengths ppl have posited to 'censor' a gay love story, and then cover that up, is not any less bonkers that believing in a secret hidden episode. it's just a different speed of it.

this is doubly bonkers considering all the gay characters that network has in it's other shows. but apparently we're supposed to ignore that and demand 'justice' for a pair of dudes who were never written as romantic in the first place?

It's not as bonker as it sounds, even if I'm still taking all that with a big grain of salt. The issue there is that there're already have been proven (by scripts, by cast and/or crew interviews...) instances of scenes/bit of dialogues/script directions with very strong romantic undertones between Dean and Castiel that were cut throughout the show. Jensen also said himself that a big chunk of his reaction to Cas'confession and death, which was a lot more emotive than what we got, was cut. Him filming the uncut confession/death scene on his phone is something he said himself, not something the fans said. There're other stuffs that don't add up. I don't know what it was all about, but I understand why it would raise some suspicions. #They silenced you, concerning Supernatural, as also to do with Charlie and her girlfriend being killed of and not being seen again and Cas confessing his love and not ever hearing an answer (negative or positive) to it and not appearing on the show afterward. It's not exactly "bury your gays" as it is "forgot them like old socks".

i saw the script posted for 518 online and there was no further reaction from dean, also things get removed from scenes all the time, if it was done so it would be because of runtime, not this wacky notion that someone was trying to censor a story that was never gay.

but it sounds like you already want to believe the horseshit so i can't help you.

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People be crazy.

Given that this is the SPN fandom we're talking about, speaking as someone who's been on tumblr since 2010, I'd have been downright shocked if the finale, no matter what happened, DIDN'T immediately give rise to increasingly wacky and salty conspiracy theories

I knew that whatever the finale did there would be at least one part of the fandom that imploded, when you have a shipping contingent 200% invested in their ship 'happening' it's always going to cause a level of staggering angry entitlement. But the sheer level of delusion and conspiracy nuttery has been truly something to behold, it's like these people haven't been aware of what show they've been watching for the last 15 years.

I can't blame them too harshly for being upset. 15 years of minority characters being treated like shit by the writers will do a number on anyone.

At the end of the day, they bought into the idea of some form of reciprocal representation whilst the majority of us who dipped out in the earlier seasons (or just knew better) understood that this wasn't going to be what they wanted. The writing was on the wall for years.

I'd never go into the Supernatural tag and say this because it's petty and people are already feeling like shit but i fucking told you so. I fucking told you.

I feel like I have to agree with you.

When I was younger, and was watching the show regularly, while I was all into the story and what not, I would get frustrated because the places the boys went to did not represent the America I knew (granted, not that there aren't parts of the US that aren't like what they showed, but still -- I even started to write an email to Eric Kripke lol, silly 15 y/o me). It was a lack of PoC, women, and I'm guessing you're addressing LGBTQ representation that would irritate me, but...I also realized what kind of story this was. And it was one that didn't necessarily include people like myself. In the same way, my actual story wouldn't necessarily cross paths with the Winchesters. Like ever. Hunting aside. I would be that random character who possibly made eyes at Dean when at a diner, because I happened to be on a road trip. It would have been a thing in passing, lol.

I realized then (mind you I was still young at the time) I couldn't count on this show to represent me, or others who aren't well repped in media like this, which is why I turned to fanfiction with OCs, because there were very few characters in the show (at least at the time I was watching)-- the characters I was looking for to "represent me". All this said, I still hold this show dear, I'll always love it, with all its problems. But, as the song goes, "you knew what it was when you signed up". But maybe that was just my cynicism. I don't know how much of it was intentional and how much of it (at least in the earlier seasons) was just...ignorance, to a certain extent? As in you're aware people other than you exist, however, they are some what nebulous, as they do not exist in your day to day -- they are something of an abstraction. In the very least, not the focus at all of your story. And ultimately, this is a story about two brothers and their family, and all the ups and downs therein, and the people in their immediate circle.

But I agree, I just let people do their fandom thing, and I do mine.

As someone who didn't watch the last like...eight? seasons of this show, can anyone tell me whether Cas's ~big confession~ was about actual romantic feelings, or just an "I love you like a brother" type thing? Because I've seen both interpretations on various sites, and I don't know if it's just a case of shippers imagining things that aren't actually there, as they tend to do, or if it was the writers' actual intent to make it romantic.

They weren't definite about it, so it really depends on how you read the characters. In other words, Cas wasn't all "I love you, but, like, no homo." But neither was he all "I love you and lets fuck."

It was a confession of love and an acknowledgement that making sure that Dean knew that Cas loved him was what would make Cas truly happy. What that means to you depends on what that means to you.

ayrt

Ah, okay, thanks.

I have to disagree, this time the romantic interpretation as a lot more canonic weight than the platonic one. Before Cas said that happiness was in the telling and not in the having, which was followed by him telling Dean he loved him, he said that what he really wanted he couldn't have. He already had Dean as a best friend and as family (Dean said that to him multiple times). There's not much, if any, room left for interpretation there : the only type of love that he couldn't (or thought he couldn't) get from Dean was romantic love.

* "has" not "as", shame.

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No it wasn't.

We already got Castiel telling Dean he loved him in S13. He even specified Dean separately from the rest ("I love you" /drops his gaze down so he doesn't look at Dean who he was just looking at/ "I love all of you" /looks at Sam and Mary).

So Dean very decidedly knew. And the wording was "platonic" only if you're bending over backwards to explain it away.

I think they left it ambiguous enough that you could read it either way, but if I remember correctly, there was an interview floating around where Misha Collins said he played it romantically. I did read it as romantic because Cas had already told Dean (and Sam and Mary) he loved him like family, so it seemed a little strange for his greatest happiness to be to tell Dean he loves him like family again.

ayrt

Cas had already told Dean (and Sam and Mary) he loved him like family, so it seemed a little strange for his greatest happiness to be to tell Dean he loves him like family again.

Interesting! That does seem to point to it being romantic.

It was romantic, and they had a whole divorce/domestic break-up arch in the juncture of S14/S15 (they also basically had two kids together), we also had Dean acting like John after he lost Mary after Cas died in S12/13 - then being 100% fine after Cas came back, we got hings like Dean confessing in a confessional that "maybe he wanted to experience feeling.. people... differently than he had before", we had Dean killing himself when Cas was dead and not really caring to come back to look after Sam anymore, so there was... a lot to paint the ending where it should have been reciprocated. Especially when S15 literally textually said that Dean/Castiel and Sam/Saileen were the real thing, when Chuck was messing with the plot.

So... not really delusional.

Great secret idk sherlock but i am so over destiel and the ship its toxic to be thr fandom with it i am so happy its over the ending was wonderful and i loved it i still think cas should of died a while ago

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