[ SECRET POST #5090 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5090 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

It kind of seems to me like this is basically an empirical question, isn't it?

[(Anonymous)]

Really? To me it seems about as subjective and anecdotal as it gets. From either direction.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree

[(Anonymous)]

💯 I grew up loving fairy tales and wanting to be a princess. I liked every element of the stories, especially the Disney films. I loved the art, the music, the dresses, yes, the simple romances, but I knew they were fairy tales. There were plenty of other media geared toward girls/young women that catered to other aspects of my worldview. Nancy Drew books, the Spice Girls, Daria, Bjork, 90s teen romcoms, Anne Rice, etc ...like, maybe recognize children are human beings, just as capable to be as complex as adults! Let them indulge but know the parents should raise their kids and not expect kids' movies to raise their kids? Like WTF?

[(Anonymous)]

Same here, the romance aspect of princess movies always went completely over my head because I didn't care about boys at that age, I simply filed all that under "adult stuff that's none of my business". I think it's far more worrying when teen/YA properties would push you a marry-man-to-be-happy agenda.

[(Anonymous)]

And yet until Moana, every one of them ended either with a marriage or with the promise of such in the future, except Merida and maybe Mulan, depending on how you count.

As a girl who knew that I didn't want a man since years before puberty, the message that a True Love's Kiss is a woman's happy ending was very obvious and very annoying.

[(Anonymous)]

+1. It really put me off watching Disney princess movies because I knew what the end was going to be and that was boring.

[(Anonymous)]

The point isn't that it's annoying, the point is that people claim these movies send a "bad message" to young girls, aka influence them negatively somehow, when oftentimes it doesn't. You finding the films annoying as a kid doesn't have anything to do with the secret.

[(Anonymous)]

It’s cool that you didn’t internalize any of that stuff, but I definitely did. That doesn’t mean I’m all “Boycott Disney!!” or “Princess movies are toxic!!” I still like them.

There’s a ton of ways for children to internalize crappy societal messages, and I think being controlling and restrictive is likely to do a lot more damage than those movies would ever have done. But I disagree with the idea that it’s silly and condescending for adults to have apprehensions about what messages the media is giving their young children.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS

I'd like to add that Disney Princesses don't exactly promote a normal body image for girls either. Considering my 8 year old niece is currently being treated for anorexia, and all but one of her friends worries about being fat. At EIGHT. Yeah,I take that seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed - particularly when actual, you know, peer-reviewed child psych studies suggest that most kids DO actually internalise a lot of things from the media they consume.

[philstar22]

Yup. I was a not-particularly feminine child whose fantasies involved being the hero/dragon killer/jedi/wizard and not being a princess. And yet I still loved most of the Disney movies. Because they are fun. It is okay for kids to just have fun. If you as a parent want to have conversations after the movie, sure, go for it. But most of the time kids aren't thinking about implications of movie things, that's an adult thing to do. Kids just want to see the fantastical things going on.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. Kids really don't care about romance in general, they find it boring. The romance is more for the parents watching the movie with their kids than anything else, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

OP there's an obvious irony in your very statement. You're accusing others of 'internalising' their issues and passing them onto kids because they have issues with the messages of Disney films, when you're doing the exact same thing in the opposite direction! ie you're saying "They never affected me so why should anyone else have a problem with them?"

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

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[morieris]

Are people still concerned with "oh no every DP has a MAN" these days?

[(Anonymous)]

I could have made this secret myself! Beautifully put OP! I completely agree!

[(Anonymous)]

+1

While it's good to think critically about media, there is so much hand-wringing about this sort of thing that it starts to feel very smug and self-aggrandizing on the part of the person saying it. "Well, of course I am able to see through this and criticize the true message, but other people are not as smart and perceptive as I am, so we have to be careful what message we're sending to the poor little lambs who have much squishier girl brains."

[(Anonymous)]

Saying you're Not Like Other Girls isn't a good look.

[(Anonymous)]

People say the same thing about romance novels, but "being loved by someone" is a popular ending in any kind of media.

I remember being more concerned about Cinderella and Snow White beating out the crappy stepmom and evil queen and "winning" than them getting prince boyfriends personally, but eh, different time.

[greghousesgf]

I'll probably get yelled at for this but what I objected to was the whole idea of "pretty=good". Every heroine in a fairy tale has to be beautiful and some of them don't even do much other than that. Cinderella had all her problems solved for her by the fairy godmother. Snow White ran hysterically into the forest, wound up doing housework, and was dumb enough to take food from a suspicious unknown person. Sleeping Beauty was unconscious through most of her story.

[meadowphoenix]

the criticism on disney princess movies is about how narrative influences society on a wide basis not the belief that every little girl is brainwashed. society does that, movies are just an aspect of the whole.

for the record, do you believe that there is such a thing as propaganda? if so, why don't you explain how the mechanism for propaganda movies differs from how regular movies influence attitudes. and if you can't, like maybe think about why you're taking this personally?

[dantesspirit]

Just because you don't see something happening, doesn't mean *it's not.*

I never thought that way about those types of movies and shows either, but I understand that there *are* those who did think that way and literally grew up believing what those types of movies and shows essentially told them.

Anecdotes are not evidence, they are merely personal experiences.

Societal influences, beyond media, play a huge roll in what and how we internalize things. Most of the time, we don't even realize what we've internalized, until it's pointed out to us.