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⌈ Secret Post #5169 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I watched the first season of Outlander during the 7th season of Game of Thrones and I appreciated the way the sex scenes were shot. I didn't really know if it would be my cup of tea, but I liked it enough that I kept watching. I got partway through season 2 and found myself kind of bored. There were a lot of stakes but I didn't feel invested in what would happen so I stopped watching. Beautiful show and I love the actors, but the show wasn't really working for me.

[philstar22]

I have a friend whose into this show. She's justified the cheating in her mind by demonizing the first husband. She was into the books before the show, and she insists the husband was worse in the books and the show whitewashed him. I haven't read the books myself, although I understand it starts with the same scene the show starts with, the oral sex scene focused entirely on her. Which to me makes the husband pretty cool.

The cheating is why I couldn't get into the show. It was one thing when she was in the past not by choice and had to protect herself. But she got home and then chose to go back. I just can't at that point. Cheating is a hard no button for me. It is too bad because I like that the show has some nice male eye candy. I'd love to watch it. I just can't get past the cheating angle.

[(Anonymous)]

It's been a while since I read the books, but I smell BS. Frank's biggest problem in the books iirc is not being Jamie and having a real psycho ancestor who looked just like him. He said Claire had drifted apart a little bit at the beginning (because of the war and being apart, it wasn't anyone's fault), but were reconnecting before she accidentally went back in time.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I only watched the first season (maybe part of two), and tbh, the only reason she ends up going back in time is because she's out there trying to reconnect with her husband. She was out in the field, and you could tell they drifted apart but were trying to make a go at it.

By the time she almost gets raped by his ancestor, i think the damage had been done. Jamie had slowly been... inadvertently charming her, and she definitely tried to resist it at first.She def gave vibes that she loved her husband, but that it was a love slowly fading, withering away.

I'm not here for the cheating, and I was into her and Jamie, so while i felt bad for the husband, I wasn't torn up about it. But I didn't realize she had made a choice to go back. I mean at that point just divorce your husband (if it was allowed) and call it a day. No need for the disrespect.

[(Anonymous)]

By the time she almost gets raped by his ancestor, i think the damage had been done. Jamie had slowly been... inadvertently charming her, and she definitely tried to resist it at first.She def gave vibes that she loved her husband, but that it was a love slowly fading, withering away.

DA - This is why it didn't bother me, personally. I just feel like the groundwork was very much there to explain the tenuous state her and Frank's marriage was in at the start of the story. Like, they honestly weren't even sure they were going to be able to reconnect, they'd been apart so long. So to have the fragile tendrils of their reconnection shredded to absolute smitherines by crazy and traumatic time travel (and a dude wearing Frank's face who is a sadistic psychopath?). *shrugs* I completely understand why Claire felt like there wasn't much left to hang onto from her marriage. And I don't say that as a shipper. I was honestly very neutral on the Jamie/Claire relationship throughout the seasons of Outlander I watched.

But I didn't realize she had made a choice to go back. I mean at that point just divorce your husband (if it was allowed) and call it a day.

I mean (SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS) Frank was dead when Claire decided to go back for the second time. Plus they'd been separated before that, which iirc was Frank's decision because he'd gotten serious about someone else.

And IDK about in the books, but from what I recall, in the show she only stays with him because he all but begs her to, can't have biological children of his own and wants to be the father to her child, and she's pregnant and it's the forties which makes being a single mother a pretty horrifying prospect.

IMO the TV series felt quite fair to Frank. I never felt like the was the bad guy (except one moment where he very nearly strikes Claire when he finds out she's pregnant with another man's child, but he stops himself and never does it again that we see, so like...eehhh?). However, it does sound like the book is a lot more intent on outright character assassination for Frank because only Jamie is allowed to possess winsome qualities. *eyeroll*

[(Anonymous)]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Frank is the only character I really liked when I still watched it, and he deserved so much better. Absolutely no contest as to who I would have chosen to be with.

[(Anonymous)]

My friend adores this series and I’ve watched it with her, but I just can’t get into it. It wasn’t the cheating for me, but the fact that she chose to go back. I dunno, I’d rather have modern conveniences than a hot guy. And I get she’s in love with the hot guy and you can’t shut off love like that, but I just can’t with it.

[(Anonymous)]

I get those kinds of stories are meant to be romantic, but it wouldn't matter how much I loved someone, I'm not living in a house without indoor plumbing. Never mind being stuck in a time period where birth control doesn't exist, giving birth was incredibly dangerous and all the modern period-tools(pads, painkillers, heating devices) also didn't exist. If I loved him that much I'd drag him forwards so we can both have a better chance of living longer.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously. I’ve only read one book where the girl brings the guy to the present with her and wondered why that didn’t happen more often.

[(Anonymous)]

She's from the 1940s, so they've only *just* got antibiotics and she might not have used them yet as a frontline army nurse. Birth control is diaphragms and condoms only, painkillers are aspirin and opioids (the latter is also available in the earlier time period though not so much where she's living) and I doubt her periods would be much different apart - she couldn't have a hot water bottle but she could have a hot brick.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - Also, I'm pretty sure by the time she goes back (back to Jamie's time, I mean, not back to her own time) she's menopausal. They very much don't make the character look that old, but yeah, she is in fact late forties.

I mean, I still wouldn't be in a hurry to swap the relative comfort and safety of the mid-twentieth century for the fuck-all of the 1700's.

Just saying, specifically re: the birth control/childbirth situation, it probably wasn't a concern for her by the time she went back.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, James Herriot was administering them as a vet before the war. His description of what it was like is marvellous.

[tree_and_leaf]

Plus, they have indoor plumbing and warmer houses in the forties, and while commercially produced opioids and aspirin may not seem like brilliant painkiller choices from a 21st Century perspective, they beat the hell out of making your own willow bark tea or trying to obtain poppy syrup in the middle of the Highlands.

[(Anonymous)]

Sulphomamides are not antibiotics.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank-you - I learned something today!

[(Anonymous)]

Saaaaaaaaame. I mean, there are plenty of things I'd trade a hot guy for now. I'd certainly trade one for indoor plumbing.

[(Anonymous)]

Cheating, time travel, and a main male character who the author refuses to see can do any wrong (Jamie.) Yeah, it's a big fat nope for me. I mean, I was out on the cheating. Time travel is a very tough sell for me. And then I heard the author's opinion about Jamie and went "yeah, bye."

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't Jamie based on a Doctor Who companion named Jamie? After I heard that, I realized that this show is just idfic.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's kind of lame lol.

I'm going to write a time travel novel about my boyfriend, Jack Markless.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Yes, you know, I think I heard like she was originally doing Dr. Who fanfic. I mean, it's not totally file the serial numbers off. But I have also heard that rumor.

There's nothing wrong with Idfic! At the same time, there is something wrong with a complete and total lack of self awareness. It's like listening to the Bridgerton author speak about the "one scene" in the Duke and I and just like... you want to back away slowly.

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing wrong with idfic but she was writing fanfic while calling out ficcers. It's even worse when you consider that she was writing RPF.

[tree_and_leaf]

Yeah, quite. Authors who get haughty about fanfic kind of annoy me anyway, but Gabaldon's blatant hypocrisy takes it to another level....

[(Anonymous)]

oh god, the author's interviews. basically the rape is there for the sole purpose of testing their relationship - because HOW ELSE can you possibly know if it's the real deal /s
she sounds completely unhinged

[ibbity]

Yeah, having the Great Big True Love Story of the series be an adulterous/bigamist relationship was a nonstarter for me too, and that was even before I found out how rape-tastic the series was (and badly handled at that.) It's a shame because Early Modern Britain is my field of study and I'm writing my master's paper on a related topic...people keep recommending this show to me, but nope.