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⌈ Secret Post #5178 ⌋

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As much as I really dislike TROS, I agree with this. Personally, I think The Last Jedi is the strongest of the sequels and gave great buildup for what could have been a good movie. So I wish they'd let Rian Johnson do TROS as well.

I don't think it especially mattered who they got to do TROS. Just making sure JJ wasnt involved would have been enough

It certainly would have made it better.

I love TLJ, and what it did with the story. OTOH, my one qualm with TLJ is that I feel it left the story in a place where there was basically no hope for it to be satisfyingly resolved in just one more movie. That's not to say Rian Johnson couldn't have done a better job of the third one than what we got. I absolutely believe he could have done a much better job. But TROS could've been a lot better and still been kind of a fumble. I just don't believe he could've made a third movie that satisfyingly concluded the story set up by the first two. Unless the third movie was five hours long.

I came out of TLJ feeling like, "Oh man, if only this were a pentalogy I would be so. fucking. excited for the next three movies."

Yeah. It makes me sad that no matter what we got, Episode IX was never going to be good.

ITA. Some of the elements seem interesting, and so does the art, but a lot of it was just as absurd if not more so than what we actually got.

And do not get me started on how Rey winds up becoming some sort of Grey Jedi, 'something in-between'. Ugh.

Definitely. Both were awful in different ways. I appreciated that Finn and Rose were given a little bit better treatment and the whole Jedi connection thing made more sense, but there were so many things that baffled me with Trevorrow's script. Sad that the 3rd film wouldn't have been very good either way.

I think the third movie would have been shit regardless after all the bullshit TLJ pulled that made wrapping things up in an additional movie nigh impossible without it sucking as well.

I mean I think you're completely wrong

but it is funny to me that the only controversy about TROS is whether it sucked because of TLJ or whether it sucked despite how good TLJ was

I wouldn't say it's the only controversy- it sucking also had a lot to do with how the characters were treated and some plot ideas would have been dumb no matter the prequel but yeah, you're not wrong haha.

Contrary to what a lot of people think, Rian has real issues writing women. Save *perhaps* Knives out. But usually his women are shallow and really only there to serve the stories about the men. Even if they are the 'main' characters.

Brick.
Brothers Bloom. (Which was one of my faves until I noticed this)
Looper.
TLJ.

Obv he's not the only writer that does this but I always laugh my ass off when people call him a feminist cause he's far from it.

I haven't seen a lot of his works, so it is entirely possibly he does have issues with writing women in other things. But it absolutely was not an issue in TLJ. He did a great job of writing women in TLJ. It was a great movie, the far and away best of the sequels. And part of that was the strong women, not just Rey, but Leia, Holdo, and Rose who were all awesome in their own way.

See I disagree. Rey was a vehicle for Kylo, Rose was a Vehicle for Rose. Holdo was a vehicle for Poe. Leia is fine. I have *real* issues with the way he writes Rey, and prefer her in the JJ 1 and 3. I dont even particularly like TROS, but I like her storylines/plot beats more in those than I do in TLJ by a longshot.

Rose was a vehicle for Finn* (though lord Finn is fucked over in TLJ but thats another story).

Like I am just gonna shut up cause getting into TLJ is not what I want to do again.

I respect people who enjoy/love/appreciate the film. I don't. Which is fine.

to be honest, posting that Rian Johnson is not a feminist because all his female characters are bad and every female character in TLJ is just a vehicle for male characters and then saying that you "don't want to get into TLJ again" seems a trifle absurd

if you don't want to talk about TLJ then posting a bunch of incredibly inflammatory shit about TLJ would appear to be a tactical error at the very least

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Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's wrong.

I do disagree with it

but I also just think it's kind of shitty to say something inflammatory and then be like "I don't want to get into it, I don't wan to talk about it"

You're entirely right. You don't get to engage someone in an argument, say your piece, and then duck out. I mean, you can, but like, people will judge you for being an immature prat. Guess we know why AYRT likes to be anonymous.

Except that anon gave their reasons for why this was their opinion and then ayrt didn't actually have counterarguments other than "I disagree" and "but why don't you wanna TALK about TLJ" after anon gave them their reasons already so I don't know what you want. It's obvious they both have their own view on this and won't agree on it. Why engage further?

And I really don't see why you, as anon, mock people for being anon. That's... pretty hypocritical.

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The idea that TLJ's take on Rey is "shallow and really only there to serve the stories about the men" is so totally ridiculous

THIS. I liked Rey a lot in TFA, and I sincerely appreciate that JJ Abrams actively chooses to write female leads for a lot of his projects, but one thing about his leads is they tend to be written very very straight (in the literary sense not the sexual sense), to the point that imo they can sometimes be a little boring. In my opinion, TLJ took Rey, who was already a good character, and gave her more nuance and depth as a person.

Agreed. I wonder if it's because in TLJ Rey is on a Heroine's Journey, which is more introspective than a traditional Hero's Journey, that AYRT made such a claim.

I’m curious about seeing George Lucas’s treatments for the sequels.

The obvious answer is the people who care most about Finn are the people promoting Trevaro's take.

Personally, looking back, hindsight and all, I think Finn was ruined right out of the gate. He should have been a freedom-fighter, he should have cared about saving the kidnapped children who were forced to become Troopers. He should have looked at their plans to blow up The Death Star 3.0 and been like "Um, what if we just disabled it beyond repair and didn't kill three million hostages?" and then DONE THAT and led a revolution. And then the generational conflict could have been between Finn and the Old Guard about methods and Poe would be won over slowly over three movies. And they'd still have scary and exciting space dog-fights BUT THEN they'd pick up the pilots and Finn would talk to them and win them over and send them back to the FO to spread the gospel of Fuck Fascism and JUST

What I'm saying is I don't think the sequel trilogy ever had a chance and it's kind of a shame we're fighting over whether part 2 or 3 'ruined' it when there was just nothing of substance there to ruin.

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