[ SECRET POST #5218 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5218 ⌋

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Comments

[meadowphoenix]

there are some secrets that should include me that just feel a completely different experience because I'm not white, like I'm sure taylor has TONS of black fans, but I couldn't name a single one who thinks she's personifies a n y t h i n g about our (black) experiences. also...basic bitch just ain't for black people like that, no matter the generation.

anyway the lady can't give a full verse to her less famous female collab partners, let alone producers and co-writers, I'm not sure she wants that power shared, lmao.

[(Anonymous)]

OT, but Swift's probably the first singer I've ever come across where I really hope I live long enough for her songs to start getting covered by other artists. Because she has written some very good stuff, but her vocals just don't do it justice. However, I admire that woman's business acumen like nobody's business. Especially for someone of her age and gender in the music industry? Damn, what she has done is impressive.

[meadowphoenix]

It's funny because I don't think I'd like Blank Space with anyone else (or Style or New Romantics), but I like the Glee cover of Mine equally to hers, and the Shoshanna Bean and Cynthia Erivo cover of I Did Something Bad is magic. Like I think her voice gives a really good aesthetic on some songs, usually when her lyrics are little more cheesy? tropey?, and then on others it clearly needs someone else.

I've actually noticed that artists who have parents who a) were deeply supportive (to the point of controlling early career moves) and b) were involved in the financial industry have a much better time making better musical and industry decisions after they breakaway from that influence. Beyonce is similar.

[(Anonymous)]

Taylor's vocals have limited emotional range, but when something is in her zone she nails it. And you're right, that zone is right in the middle of "teenager's poetry journal" land, but it's a good zone to be in for a pop star. But damn, some of her songs are so much better when you throw female vocalists with a little more range and depth at them.

[(Anonymous)]

Ryan Adams 1989?

[meadowphoenix]

ngl, his obsession with taylor creeps me out a little, so I haven't listened to his stuff because personally I'm not going to validate that or his treatment of mandy moore. but something like that maybe?

[(Anonymous)]

'basic bitch just ain't for black people like that, no matter the generation.'

I find her no more basic than pretty much any other mainstream artist, male or female, including artists that do have black fans. I find it hilarious that people like to throw basic bitch around at artists like TS when Beyonce is just as basic and tedious. The whole music industry is bland crap.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really agree with your last sentence, but I'll second the rest of your comment.

[hey_hey_hey]

What else do the kids say? Oh, yeah -

STAY MAD

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but, what mad? Where mad?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT I guess for you it's 'stay nonsensical'? Or maybe do you need some help getting to your point because you are reeeaching.

[hey_hey_hey]

Have fun when Bey and Taylor are cited as inspirations for pop, indie and rock stars in 15 years.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT ...I won't care? I'm aware that this is my opinion? I find them both as 'basic' as each other and most modern pop vapid as hell, so I disagreed with meadowphoenix's take but I'm obviously aware that they're super famous and I just don't really gaf lol. I think you're possibly the one that's mad.

[(Anonymous)]

I have no beef with modern music. But the rest, yeah. Honestly, when people unjokingly call someone or thing basic in 2021 it's like, really? You're still on that? Even College Humor realized that was some snobby, judgemental shit like two years ago.

[(Anonymous)]

In regard to your last sentence: Man, it really isn't.

People just tell on themselves (and the depth/breadth of their music library) when they say that stuff.

Get out there and find the good shit. It's literally waiting for you!

[meadowphoenix]

okay but beyonce really isn't as basic (tedious is your opinion, idc about that). her songwriters are simply twice as interesting, especially now, her vocals have always been better, her dances, musicality, performances....she outserves taylor swift. if you're comparing her to tina turner? yeah, I hear you. ANY mainstream artist after her? no.

that said, that's not my point. basic might be thrown in comparison between ourselves, but the term just isn't for us like it would be thrown for taylor. that's just not the point of the word. it's the culture, but the white uses have confused everyone i see.

[(Anonymous)]

Beyonce was just the first one who came to mind tbh, I wasn't really aiming to pit her and TS directly. Although the two of them are just as 'basic' to me as each other. I find most big artists lacking these days. There's just no spark. It's like rap - there is so much genius stuff out there, especially from the eighties and nineties, but the really famous modern artists are... Bland as fuck. Corporate as fuck. It's a depressingly shallow shit show.

I'm sorry, I didn't follow your second paragraph at all.... ?

[meadowphoenix]

well you did directly compare them, so in comparison, it just...doesn't fly. I'm not saying it's wrong to find modern artists less...everything than before (although I think music in general is very interesting now and I hope you're just talking about mainstream and actually have a varied modern palette, so to speak), but of the things you can compare them, taylor only has her songwriting ability in general over beyonce. she's not even giving me girl with a guitar/piano anymore which at least was following joni mitchell/carole king. meanwhile lemonade and self-titled, while not years ahead of her alt contemporaries IS miles ahead of anyone with her in the main game, and the lion king soundtrack ain't like anything happening in US music at the very least. i don't think it's reasonable to say she's basic with that in mind. i mean african music in the western world just....ain't basic. like that's false, that's a lie. but i don't enjoy where the top players besides her are going either, so I may be with you there.

the basic bitch designation started with black twitter, and so intracommunity use isn't the same as extracommunity use, and black women are never going to come off as basic outside the community because that's just not what the word is for. that's what I mean. but white people deciding how it's ~supposed~ to be used might as well be a whole nother world so I understand why people don't get what I'm saying.

[(Anonymous)]

she outserves taylor swift

Very much your opinion. I find Taylor Swift by far the superior song writer. Like, it's not even a competition. I find her stage presence equal to Beyonce's and her concerts as a whole superior. Beyonce's vocals are definitely stronger than Taylor's, I do agree there. The strength of an artist's vocals just has never been all that important to me personally. As long as I find their voice compelling, I don't care how technically strong it is, and I find Taylor's voice very compelling.

[meadowphoenix]

we're clearly not talking about the same things. whether something is basic has very little to do with whether you individually like it. The early Beatles is basic in the absolute best way. The question is about the interaction between quality and uniqueness. We agree that Taylor's writing quality is superior to Beyonce (because Beyonce writes absolutely nothing), but tbqf Beyonce's writers are better on the whole in both quality and uniqueness. Taylor is very very good at the basics, best of her generation I would say, even if I don't personally like a lot of it, but they are basic (although we should take into consideration that 1989 is less her writing than ever). We agree that Beyonce's voice is of a better quality (we can quibble on uniqueness, I suppose since they are both very typical for their lanes). But the fact of the matter is that beyonce dances and taylor does the basics of whatever that is. You can love Taylor better because you do, that's enough, but Taylor's concerts has never come close to the uniqueness and quality of homecoming. periodt.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like the whole generational cohort framing is low-key racist in the way that it centers on things like generational wealth, home ownership, and traditional 9-5 labor as markers of success that people should be able to obtain by a certain age. Been mulling over this ever since pop culture declared Cobain the "voice of a generation" and went through 40 days of commercial sackcloth and ashes when he died.

[meadowphoenix]

yeah, the ways in which people try to group generations by behavior or mindset betray a very limited perspective on who actually belongs. It's pretty clear that technological advancement HAS changed things between people rapidly, but it's not clear that the very poor or the very rich have noticed the same rapidity of changes, since their access to that stuff was different to begin with. And then race....oof.