[ SECRET POST #5238 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5238 ⌋

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[fscom]

07. https://i.imgur.com/nBVLKBJ.png

[kaijinscendre]

Fuckers driving their shitty raised truck with a Confederate flag while wearing their Captain America shirts and back the blue assholes (and cops) that show off their Punisher logo window decals need to be slapped with a book.

[(Anonymous)]

The whole thing of cops using the Punisher logo as a symbol is so completely fucked up and evil.

[kaijinscendre]

SLAP THEM WITH A BOOK.

[(Anonymous)]

This. So tired of seeing some asshole in a Captain America t-shirt strolling through WalMart with his mask hanging off his chin.

[kaijinscendre]

You mean the assholes who wear the disposable mask they got from the greeter around their chin that they throw on the ground as soon as they get outside? THOSE ASSHOLES?

[(Anonymous)]

YES, THOSE ASSHOLES. God, they suck so much. :(

[(Anonymous)]

I read that as "slapped with a hook" but either works, I suppose.

[kaijinscendre]

Slaps them with this hook.

[(Anonymous)]

Your country is a nightmare.

[luxshine]

I've always said that assholes who wear Cap. America shirts are the idiots who think U.S.Agent (John Walker) was a good replacement.

[(Anonymous)]

Captain America is an asshole in the MCU, so it fits.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks!

I mean he is clearly against gun control, at least.

I used to be a Cap fan before the whole MCU Civil War bullshit so it still rankles.

[(Anonymous)]

This is how I feel about Tony. I loved him in his movies and in the first Avengers movie. And then his actions in both Ultron and Civil War made me see him in a different light.

[(Anonymous)]

How exactly is he an asshole? There are several MCU characters I'd call assholes. Tony, Starlord, Ant-Man at times, Loki. But Steve? Even when he's wrong, he's doing it for the right reasons, trying to help people. I just can't see asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

"But his heart's in the right place" doesn't hold up when what he's doing is cowboying into sovereign nations to chase people down on what amounts to a personal vendetta, not bothering to liase with any local authorities or emergency services in order to minimize risk to civilians, endangering countless lives and causing a number of actual civilian deaths because he absolutely had to do things his way, didn't have his head in the game because it was a personal vendetta, and generally fucked up royally.

Then, when faced with unprecedented global agreement that the Avengers maybe shouldn't be allowed to roar in and do whatever they want regardless of the risk, his response was "you're not the boss of me!" Not attempting to negotiate different terms or different oversight, just absolute refusal to accept that maybe, just maybe, he didn't know better than pretty much every governing body on the planet.

He embodies exactly the kind of attitude found in gun-toting Blue Lives Matter fuckbags.

[(Anonymous)]

I... feel like maybe you've missed a few details along the way.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I agree with what you've said here, but the movie set things up in a dumb way and the Accords were poorly written and under the supervision of the US military (in the person of General Ross, who had already conducted some really bad decisions related to the Hulk). Do I think Accords of some kind (including mandatory training for Avengers and non-US oversight) would be a great idea? HELL YES. Do I think that's what was in the Sokovia Accords? No.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

Also, something that the movie made quite obvious, but that a surprising number of viewers seem to have missed, is that Tony's support for the Accords is basically, "We should operate under oversight, and if sometime in the future we don't like what they're telling us, we can just renege on our agreement." Whereas Cap's position is, "I don't trust the oversight mechanism, so I'm not going to enter into an agreement that I'll then have to abide by."

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah it's pretty wild to see Cap's fandom be so bizarrely invested in his moral rightness. Like... maybe in the first movie? MAAAYBE in the first Avengers? But he's literally everything that's wrong with US imperialism AND in Civil War he was basically a libertarian icon. I don't think ANY mcu heroes are "moral" because the morality of those movies in general is at grade school level at best and completely bankrupt at worst but Cap is not some kind of pure symbol that shouldn't be tarnished. He belongs to the assholes just as much as he belongs to the fandom folks who choose to see the fanfic version of him written by fans, not canon.

[(Anonymous)]

da

He brought two super powered criminals, Maximoff siblings, into the base and let them do as they want, namely fight his Avengers teammates.

He also lied to get into the Army. He was unfit to be a soldier, too sick to do his country any good on the frontlines.

Refusing to do anything during Sokovia's fall...

He rejected Accords and then got a wan full of amo in the airport in another country. He does what he feels is right without any consideration to the law and ordinary people.

I don't think that he betrayed Tony by not telling him about his parents because they were never friends in MCU. Steve had his secrets and used SHIELD's resources for his personal goals.

[meadowphoenix]

I'm so....something that we're no true scotmaning Captain America.

This is why MCU using its characters in real politics badly AND marketing sucks

Now I'm remembering how Captain America said that SSR actions during WWII were justified when that's highly unlikely just based on real world US OSS and wondering if assholes who view the US's sketchy covert WWII behavior as justified applies as people who shouldn't wear captain america shirts, lmao.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh

My view is generally that it's better to try to make a reconstructive stab at American civic nationalism rather than leaving it to the far right. And I think the textual history of Captain America as a character supports doing so - that's also why it's not No True Scotsman imo, because the distinction being drawn is very present in the source material

Obviously this shouldn't preclude engaging with the historical reality of American misdeeds, in the source material or in general

[meadowphoenix]

It is w i l d l y clear that the MCU takes ~WWII~ US behavior at face-value, and there is no version of that that isn't on the same line as far right reconstructive American nationalism. The basis of this from a CA standpoint makes this utterly frustrating: the bully that Steve first stands up to is literally complaining about US WWII propaganda in real time when Steve gets mad. There were good and bad political reasons to do so, but from Steve's perspective (which fits along with his justification in Winter Soldier to Fury that SSR actions were not out of fear by safety an actual WWII piece of propaganda used to justify Japanese internment camps and lmao, guess where those justifying propaganda pieces showed up!) none of those reasons could possibly be legitimate.

My point is really that it is no true Scotsman because the distinction drawn in the source material doesn't really exist in rl, and to some extent is a distinct obfuscation of the extant politics at that time and now, and worse some of the ethical choices Steve makes in the present are at their philosophical foundation not unlike the ethical choices the US makes in the present, just without state sanctioning. The oppositional framework to the US is not "intervention is bad" or "military paternalism is bad" or even "neocolonialism is bad" but that "the sovereign state is easily corrupt" which, while true, combined with his philosophy is distinctly the view that many of OP's assholes with CA shirts also take.

I do think this is because the MCU is gingerly trying to deal with the current nature of political and military conflict which does not reflect on the US well while also trying to preserve CA's "America-ness" with whatever values they think they can apply, partially so they can sell t-shirts, but as I've explained that doesn't work for a variety of reasons without justifying all the range of people who want to be CA.

eta: also there's something perverse about giving a superhero created by Jewish artists to a corp founding by an anti-semite to navigate US nationalism, my god I hate it here

[(Anonymous)]

I guess I don't think that the valence of Captain America as a character or a symbol can be reduced to the specific actions of the MCU version of the character. I don't think that Marvel-Disney should be allowed to dictate terms of what the character means to us; the character exists beyond his copyright.

And I'm also pretty dubious that just ceding the interpretation of American culture, identity, belonging and ideals to the far right is a good course to pursue that's going to lead to good results over the long term.