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What is this?

Looks like Shadow and Bone

Thanks! Totally unrecognizable, for me.

It's Nina and Matthias from Netflix's Shadow and Bone.

Thanks! Totally unrecognizable, for me.

I have no idea who the usual fandom suspects are or whatever, but I couldn't stand these two. They don't have a relationship, they nearly die a few times and them trauma-bond onto one another. Idk if it's better written in the book but in the show I felt like every single step for a romance was missing and I was rolling my eyes at all their interactions.

For what it's worth, it's better in the book. They're relying on each other for several weeks on the ice and there's definitely no discussion of running away together at the end.

That does sound better, alas their shows selves annoyed me so much I'm just going to skip them as best I can in s2.

The show took a huge amount of backstory, time, and character development and crammed it into one 45 minute episode, it was terrible.

(But thank you for saying this because I keep wanting someone I know who hasn't read the books to watch the show and see if it makes sense, and evidently THAT part doesn't.)

I'm so torn about this ship. In theory, I don't mind enemies to friends romances, but they're so rarely handled well. I didn't really enjoy the journey in the books, though I appreciated them as a couple in the end, if that makes any sense? I just didn't like how it got there. I'm kind of wary of the idea that you can support and live a hateful, murdering ideology that basically amounts to genocide, but one person can change your mind after you fall in lust/love with them. That feels... icky. Not romantic.Like ohhh, I was okay with burning people live because I viewed them as subhuman, but because we went through some hardships together and you're hot, you've changed my mind about murdering innocent people! Yay?

The guy that plays Matthias is hot, though.

I mean, he HAS to be hot, or why else would Nina have been interested?

I'm just annoyed there wasn't ONE moment where he verbalizes that... yeah, maybe kidnapping and executing people based on in-born abilities that they don't ask for is a bad thing. Like that moment in HTTYD when Hiccup says of the dragons: "everything we know about you is wrong." Would have gone a long way.

And it genuinely annoyed me that Nina never once brings up the other two Grisha girls that were chained up in the brig along with her. I guess they died when the ship went down, but she doesn't seem to give a shit. (Kind of darkly hilarious though that Matthias doesn't bother bringing THEM any food because he's only attracted to Nina).

You're right. This is a terrible writing, and totally unsurprising in an adaptation that tries to condense a complicated relationship journey into a way too short time.

I'm kind of wary of the idea that you can support and live a hateful, murdering ideology that basically amounts to genocide, but one person can change your mind after you fall in lust/love with them.

Slightly OT, but this is why I'm so profoundly grateful that Zutara in Avatar: The Last Airbender never happened. Zuko won his redemption through his own hard work, not because he had the hots for Katara.

I feel it could have gotten close to working if the guy had show any care or concern for the other two kidnapped women, or even a smidge of guilt? But he doesn't, his 'care' for the named lady comes off as purely boner-based than any kind of genuine concern for her, and she is into him because... honestly I have no fucking idea. He gave her bread once??? (The show tries to argue that he had no idea that the women were killed, but come one, he's been doing this for 20 years, he would know).

I can understand her saving his life as she seems like a kind person who wouldn't let her captors die, but after they get to the inn there was no reason for them to stick together or make it seem like it was an even vaguely hard choice. It was just so bizarre and I didn't care for it at all.

but come one, he's been doing this for 20 years, he would know

Apparently they're teenagers in the books and it's essentially their first missions. That made a lot of sense to me once I heard that. In general I prefer the ages in the show (Kaz the leader of an established, if small, gang and club in his 20s versus a teenager) but it doesn't work for Matthias and Nina.

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I'm kind of wary of the idea that you can support and live a hateful, murdering ideology that basically amounts to genocide, but one person can change your mind after you fall in lust/love with them.

It happens all the time in real life with parents of LGBTQ kids. So do you only think it's unrealistic if the love is romantic and there's a sexual component to it? Why?

Apples to oranges.

One, that's their kid--the being they've loved (probably) and protected (probably) since the day the kid was born--not some dehumanized enemy stranger they've just met as Nina is to Matthais.

Matthais appears to pretty much live his job/cause, and it's a very active job. He has to DO a lot of very active, challenging stuff for his cause on a regular basis. The majority of homophobic people don't have strenuous, dangerous full-time jobs that amount to skillfully, forcefully acting out their homophobia on a daily basis.

barf

In what universe are a majority of LGBT kids parents rounding up LGBT individuals, putting them on trial and then murdering them? This is such a bizarre and off-base comparison I am genuinely boggled at the point you're trying to make.

Also generally: people who only stop being shit because they find someone of a group hot don't tend to stop being shit to that group overall. Because it's less about acceptance and more about tokenistic fetishism.

More likely they fall for "exceptionalism" - my gay kid is ok but those gays are terrible. I have some very racist older people in my family and they do this with the non-white people who have married into younger generations - "all black people are terrible except for [cousin's wife], obviously she's different". That's how they don't get cognitive dissonance by, say, saying all black people are stupid and violent but Obama, he's great.

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I'm kind of wary of the idea that you can support and live a hateful, murdering ideology that basically amounts to genocide, but one person can change your mind after you fall in lust/love with them.

I actually think it is possible for those people whose ethical philosophy is oriented toward stopping the most harm, i.e. constant trolley problems, and they are misled or blind to the truth of who is actually causing harm, to have one person smack them into better ethics. I think it's very easy to teach regular humans to dehumanize people and limit the circumstances by which they could gain more information on what's actually happening, even if they have a fairly advanced moral understanding to people they haven't dehumanized. That said, I'm just not fond of this in media, and I think the "slaveowner frees his child but not his child's slave mother" or the Jefferson, as I like to call it, is more common.

For the people who just are okay with murdering people regardless, then no.

I did kind of love watching Matthias loose complete control over the situation and flounder in the face of Nina's take-charge attitude, but yeah - the whole thing was pretty yikes on a number of levels.

Honestly though, I think the purity policy or anti-shippers or whatever are more caught up with the Alina/Darkling situation. And even then, the books have already been written so everyone knows where it's all going. That's probably why there's been surprisingly little drama.

Yes, but you're assuming that "the usual suspects" are looking for things that are wrong in media and attacking them. But in fact, they don't give a shit about canon except as fuel, they're in it to bully and harass people who do the "wrong" thing. The TV version of this ship isn't very big, so there's no interest in it from the bullying side.

+1

This is so painfully true. Excellent comment.

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