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[ SECRET POST #770 ]

⌈ Secret Post #770 ⌋

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101.

[Earth: Final Conflict seasons 1-4]

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[West Wing]

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[30 Rock, Tina Fey/Alec Baldwin]

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[Prince of Tennis]

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[Wall-E]

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[Rookies]

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110. [repeat]

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[Grace Potter and the Nocturnals]

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[Saw III]

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[Sapphire and Steel]

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[Wilby Wonderful/Paul Blart: Mall Cop]

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[Fruits Basket]

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[The Spider Cliff Mysteries

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[Avatar/The Addams Family]

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[The Invisible]

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[Christian Bale]

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[Dollhouse]

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[Vickie Guerrero, WWE]

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[R Truth/Ed Reed, WWE/Baltimore Ravens]

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[Gears of War/Metal Gear Solid]

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[Jon Stewart]

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139. [repeat]

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[Tom Waits, Wristcutters]

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[A Mighty Wind]

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[Malice Mizer, Kami]

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[Sarah: The Bad Girl's Club]

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[Pineapple Express]

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[My Name is Earl]

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[Robert Pattinson/Kristen Stewart]

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[Torchwood]

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[BSG]

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[BSG]

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[Ace Attorney]

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[Lord of the Rings]

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[Pascal Curious + Nervous Subject - The Sims 2]

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>emotionally charged scene
>robot action flick

>ROBOT ACTION FLICK

>ROBOT ACTION FLICK

I agree the guy's human but honestly, are people actually claiming that it was the "emotionally charged scene" in his robot movie that caused that kind of ten minute torrent of emotional abuse? If any of the humans in my office acted that way (and yelling at somebody probably not really allowed to yell back at him since he's the movie star at that!) they'd be in danger of being fired and at the least be in big trouble.

I don't take it personally that he yelled at somebody but that's not regular behavior that everybody does on a bad day. That's "totally valid reason for refusing to work with this guy" behavior.

I agree. I don't know anybody who is respectful and well-adjusted who would go off on somebody in that way, emotionally charged robot action scene or not.

THIS. There's a world's difference between "losing one's temper occasionally" and "an incident of emotional abuse that clearly suggests the guy has emotional/mental/psychological problems and NEEDS HELP NOW". The tirade totally falls under the latter category, and it's evidence Bale needs to have his head examined.

If he acted the same but wasn't a pretty face superstar, but just a nobody, half of the people who are defending him now would be attacking/snarking him y/y

I'd go with Y on this one if I didn't know that people regularly dismiss this kind of behaviour all the time, especially in situations like his where there is alleged abuse going on..

If any of the humans in my office acted that way, they wouldn't be in danger of being fired, the WOULD SURELY be fired.
And probably sued (or punched) by the victim, to boot.

People who say "lol it was just a movie" are fucking retards.

I didn't know big-budget, hoped-to-earn-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ films were such insignificant things that you can dick around on them and give potentially-box-office-sinking performances in them. I didn't know all stars handle knowing the fate of the movie's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ hinges on them (and maybe the director) with grace and aplomb. I didn't know artists (any artist) are supposed to be a stable bunch.

And those who say "I could never act that way at work": you're not paid to act, period, you morons. I didn't know when you're in the middle of being all emotional you're supposed to switch it off like a light when someone pisses you off repeatedly.

FUCKING THINK, MAN

Okay, I'm thinking. You can't have it both ways.

Either he's just a "human" and this is how we all act when something frustrating happens at work, OR he's the stereotype star who gets special leeway to be unstable and throw abusive tantrums at people when they frustrate him because he's the artist. There's a reason the term "prima donna" started out as the principal female singer of an opera company and came to mean a temperamental person who takes adulation and privileged treatment as a right and reacts with petulance to criticism or inconvenience.

That makes absolutely no sense that it "can't go both ways." And I hate when people go "reading comprehension - get you some", but sometimes it's warranted.

Actors/actresses are allowed to lose their shit occasionally - and I'd bet cold hard cash that even the best have done it once or twice in their careers - because it's a completely human thing to do when you're in the middle of emoting to not have all your emotions under rigid control. And considering this all happened in an high-pressure situation, a frustrating environment, that better artists than him have gone on for much longer (Lily Tomlin, anyone?), and that he's paid to be emotional this is really nothing.

If he had briefly snapped at someone rather than spouted out four minutes of abuse and refusing to try to calm down while the guy apologized, probably nobody would be talking about it. If people were calling for him to be punished I'd agree they were wrong, but the general public hears a rant like that they're not obligated to pretend they don't think the guy sounds like an asshole to work with because he's an actor. I think people should be able to accept 1.that he apologized to the guy and the guy accepted; 2. that the guy deserved an apology 3. that a rant like that is going to earn some attention. Not everybody's going to hear that rant and be on CB's side because the other guy distracted him.

The OP called him a prima donna. That term refers to the idea the artist star of the opera gets to be tempermental because they're the star. If somebody thinks he already sounds like a prima donna, I don't see why they'd change their mind if you explain to him that CB must not be judged the way they'd be judged if they lost their shit like that, because he's an artiste. Maybe "trying to have it both ways" was a bad way of expressing that.

You know, I've been ignoring your definitions of "prima donna" for a reason, dude - I DON'T NEED TO HEAR IT. Jesus fucking Christ, I do have a grasp of English. Don't be condescending.

And I'll try to "change their mind" - or rather, express my viewpoint - if I think that they, and a whole lot of other sheltered people, try to simplify the situation, because it's an idiotic thing to do. How naive do you have to be to think that people will never express their anger, especially if you do some dumbshit things to provoke it and prolong it? 'Cause the DP didn't apologize the whole time - he got defensive over his indefensible actions.

"Are you a professional or not?"
"Yes, I am."
*EHN!* Sorry, dude - the correct answer was, "No, I'm sorry, that was completely unprofessional of me." Why? 'Cause professionals wouldn't have bothered a scene while the actor is in the middle of it.

"You don't fucking understand what it's like working with actors. That's what that is."
"No, that's not what it is."
Wow - so diplomatic, so contrite, this guy over what he did wrong. Especially his next line!

"No, what it is, is looking at the light and making sure that everything – "

And then Bale really goes off on him. GEE I WONDER WHY. People usually calm down after you've made them mad when you tell them how wrong they are.

And I wonder why if Bale is such a godawful prick to work with, why haven't they released the first part of the rant, when the DP messed up the first time? Is it perhaps, I don't know, there is no rant? That maybe the DP was informed civilly to not do something any first-year film student knows not to do?

So if upbraiding a dipshit who know enough about his job to say "sorry" when the star gets mad at him after he fucks up royally the second time, but not enough to not make the elementary mistake to begin with and to try to justify it, is being a "prima donna" - "a vain or undisciplined person who finds it difficult to work under direction or as part of a team" (forgive me for going with the more universally interpreted definition of the word as opposed to your history lesson) - then I guess Bale is a massive one.

I didn't mean to come across as condescending. It seemed ironic to me and I said why. There's no need to get so furious about it.

The OP heard the apology and said she no longer thought he sounded like a jerk. Had CB put out a statement explaining how difficult his job is, and how the guy was completely deserving of the rant and being an actor is hard and didn't they hear how the guy was defensive on the tape instead of being more apologetic? I doubt s/he would have changed her opinion on him.

And btw, just to irritate you more, I don't know where you've gotten the idea that PM only means "vain or undisciplined person who finds it difficult to work under direction or part of a time" today. People still use it to describe performers throwing tantrums or demanding special attention all the time. I am not saying that Christian Bale is one. I can completely believe it was the result of special stress around that time and his being in an emotional scene.

Had CB put out a statement explaining how difficult his job is, and how the guy was completely deserving of the rant and being an actor is hard and didn't they hear how the guy was defensive on the tape instead of being more apologetic? I doubt s/he would have changed her opinion on him.

Uh... so what? No, seriously - you do know I couldn't give less than a rat's ass about whatever the OP's stance is on everything, right? My annoyance is not centered wholly on the secret post, 'cause - and remember this is a point I've been emphasizing - there's a bigger picture.

And c'mon, dude - I know you're all proud of yourself for discovering the roots of words, but you really need to stop bringing up that one particular facet of "prima donna". Again, I couldn't care less.

LOL! No, that's what's so ridiculous. I'm not proud of myself for it at all. I had no idea it annoyed you and don't really get why it does. I probably figured you would respond to it by saying something, "Yeah, I see what you mean (since of course you know what the word means as well as I do), but..." and then say how you were speaking to this bigger picture or something. I brought up something in the OP it turns out you couldn't care less about, fine. So your point is just that the crew guy did do something seriously wrong more than once and CB's reaction was well within appropriate and professional limits for an A-list actor under the circumstances? Great. Point taken. If you stop throwing out definitions of "prima donna" I will too.

Whoops - no anon. Oh, well. ^__^

Actually hon, my work is far more stressing -and less rewarding- than that of a diva pretending to be a robot.

And yet I don't treat people like shit for 4 minutes straight if they screw up.

Like most sensible human beings, really.

I seriously doubt that your work is "far more stressing" or else you wouldn't be so high-and-mighty about the whole thing. Any profession where a lot of ~~MONEY~~ *ahem* responsibility fall on one person in a position of authority inevitably produces people who have little patience for fuck-ups. For instance - if you come across a surgeon or someone from Wall Street who's polite and you're not a client of theirs, you can safely assume that it's their day off. Acting in sci-fi is, of course, more frivolous but I wonder who has more ~~responsibility~~ *ahem* MONEY riding on whether they do a good job or not....

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