[ SECRET POST #5301 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5301 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

Loki spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

Loki and Sylvie being implied to have romantic feelings for each other definitely disappointed me. I'm really pleased with the show overall. It's easily my favorite of the MCU shows so far. But the Loki/Sylvie thing tempers my enjoyment more than a little. It's just so tiresome...like...must we? Must we really?

Full disclosure, I do ship Lokius, so I am biased. But even if I didn't ship Lokius I am positive Loki and Sylvie's relationship would work way better for me if it was set up as a genuine loyalty and tentative friendship that Loki felt towards her.

Re: Loki spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

HOLY FUCK! I was JUST posting about this downthread! Yes! I had my complaints about the Lamentis episode (mostly because I felt like they'd had no real positive interactions before the "What is love" stuff, which I correctly understood as groundwork for a clumsy romantic transition, but the whole conversation didn't work for me because it was just a bunch of huge generalities and we haven't even SEEN Loki experiencing romantic love so wtf does he know about it and WHY would he or Sylvie for that matter be interested in the subject when they have WAY more on their plates right then?) The character is a narcissist, so it feels like an irresistible storyline to go down but I found myself really put off with it in the latest episode. I think that it annoys me that they put in some honestly pretty vague reference to Lokis' bisexuality then they IMMEDIATELY pair the boy Loki/girl Loki options. It just seems like such a lame copout. Like all the times shows try to get brownie points for the female character in a pre-established romantic pairing basically being like "Maybe I WOULD be attracted to women but it'll never come up so whatever lol anyways..." I'm trying to put my finger on why it annoys me. It's not as though either character isn't bisexual by virtue of a hetero pairing but it just feels so cheap, like they're acknowledging that minor MCU characters could be bisexual but they only act on hetero ships and it's just ugh. But then I was also kind of vibing with the Loki/Mobius dynamic so I'm not sure I'm not just annoyed it didn't go my way.

Re: Loki spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the fact that it makes the reveal that Loki is bi/pan feel so blatantly lip-servicey is definitely one of the reasons Loki/Sylvie puts me off. Though, if I’m being completely honest, it’s not really the primary reason.

My thoughts about Loki/Sylvie are super complicated and hard to articulate, but… Yeah, IDK, I guess first of all I just feel like it doesn’t mesh well with the overall themes of Loki’s story? I mean, there’s something fundamentally non-normative about Loki, and about Loki’s struggle with himself and how he fits into the world (or doesn’t). And IMO the fact that he feels so innately non-normative makes the idea of him finding fulfillment--and, to some extent, self-actualization--through a heterosexual romantic relationship feel like it’s in conflict with the rest of the character’s story.

Also, Loki’s growth as a character is so tied to Sylvie, and his recognition of her cause as a good and important one, and his decision to help her and follow her lead at the risk of his own life. Like, that is the predominant way that Loki’s character growth is forged and demonstrated. Therefore, I think it actually undermines that a bit to give him romantic feelings for her, because it’s pretty well established that romantic infatuation can often masquerade as selflessness and self-betterment, even when the effects may later turn out to have been shallow and temporary. In short, it’s very easy to want to give of ourselves for someone we are freshly infatuated with. Therefore, I would’ve found his relationship with her a stronger and more interesting one if romantic feeling were not a factor.

Also, we are led to understand that on some level Sylvie is another version of Loki, and he of her. Giving him romantic feelings for her basically functions at cross-purposes to that aspect of their dynamic. It makes his relationship with her too much about him relating to an “other” and takes the focus off of the fact that he is, on some level, relating to his own potential self, and witnessing that other self demonstrate how to be better; how to have integrity and be superior because of it.

And finally, as you say, it just feels very rushed. And I do hate when characters decide to talk about their ~feelings~ when extremely important other shit is going on that just make their feelings talk feel extremely trivial and like they have no priorities or something. So there's that.

The reasons why I think that Mobius--if anyone--is best suited to be the LI are at least equally as complicated, but as this is F!S an not my tumblr account, I think I’ll stop here lol.

Re: Loki spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

Its been driving me a little crazy how everyone agrees its romantic and just jumping on that train. That they show decided to go in that direction at all instead of doing an interesting expression of friendship love for a more gentle metaphor of self-love (that's not narcissistic).

Honestly I was originally hoping I was clocking things right that Loki was setting himself up as someone sibling-like to Sylvie. I remember talking to a friend who much more interesting would it have been if Loki was trying to fill the role of Thor for her considering her whole life was taken from her.

Re: Loki spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

much more interesting would it have been if Loki was trying to fill the role of Thor for her considering her whole life was taken from her.

Huh. That's a really interesting idea, and I like it! The way I'd do it, ideally, it would start out with her very much being the one with her shit together and him slowly becoming a better Loki through her presence and influence (among other things). Plus their developing friendship and the whole metaphor for self-love thing. But over time Loki would instinctively, clumsily begin trying to sort of fill the role of Thor for her. So in the end there'd be this arc from Loki who is Bad, to Loki who is a mess and is kind of bad at being Good but is really trying and has made enough progress that he is actually trying to look after her to a degree, despite her being "the superior Loki."

Of course, I really don't think you could do that in six episodes. *grumbles eternally about six episodes being a bullshit length for a so-called "season" of freaking television*