[ SECRET POST #5334 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5334 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

04. https://i.imgur.com/TbS5XUv.png

[tei]

Do you actually, uh, know anything about gymnastics? Or did you read three tweets and decide you're an expert?

1. She didn't damage their chances of winning. She pulled out of the team final because she had already received the lowest score in the rotation on the event she did do, and anticipated that she would continue performing poorly (aka, more poorly than any of her teammates) on the other events. This is obviously completely besides the safety argument, but since you clearly only care about medals-- yeah. She didn't lose them the team gold. She stepped down to allow them to win the team silver.

2. She didn't "reserve her emotional health for the solo competition." She didn't compete in the individual all-around. Sunisa Lee won it. Have you been living under a rock?

3. "Taking a spot and not competing" is precisely the (extremely normal) situation that the team format, including all-arounds and reserve athletes for finals, is for. This is not some crazy unprecedented situation. Athletes have to pull out of competitions all the time. Because Simone pulled out of event finals, MyKayla Skinner was able to compete in the vault final (which she otherwise wouldn't have been) and won a silver medal, and Jade Carey was able to win the gold on floor. No, there are not any other American athletes who were denied the chance to go to Tokyo who would have done better than that.

This is so fucking stupid I can't even believe I spent my time explaining it. What is wrong with you that the concept of "mental health>sports" needs an "argument"?

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP, but thanks for taking the time to write all that out. I think more people need to read it. The soundbite version of this story (surprise surprise) doesn't do it justice.


Besides- it's more than just "mental health v. sports" when having too off of an off day can wreck your body. Like gruesome injury and permanent damage...

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, thank you. What the fuck, OP? What is that first sentence even supposed to mean?

[rivulet027]

This!

[lovelythings]

Excellent reply! Imagine believing she could have gotten a gold with the twisties. She would have broken her neck.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you even understand "the mental health > sports argument", if that's what you think

[(Anonymous)]

1. Gymnasts have a serious chance of injury if they mess up. Fatal, even. If her heads not in the game, it's not.

2. Her teammates publicly have been pretty supportive. As has other athletes. Most people I see that haven't been are not athletes

I probably have more, but it sounds like you've avoided all actual coverage of this other than the headlines.

[mishey22]

I see why this is a secret.

[(Anonymous)]

Right? I know I certainly wouldn't want to admit to such a mind-bendingly stupid opinion with my name attached.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure her teammates themselves have spoken publicly, because I haven't been following it too closely, but I read that the father of one of her teammates, Suni Lee, thought it was cool of her to pull out because she let his girl have a change to shine and bring home a gold in the all-around.

And, you know, most of the athletes I've seen talk about it respect her decision to not potentially die or be paralysed, as several gymnasts suffering from the same problem have done over the years.

[akacat]

Anyone who thinks she made the wrong decision should have to stand on a balance beam until they successfully do a Biles dismount off of it.

Don’t worry, it’s a lot less dangerous than a similar skill that isn’t a dismount.

[meadowphoenix]

agree with what people have said above

and on a strictly technical level also this is really illogical reasoning. you can't judge choices about outcomes based on a best case scenario when the choice was made in a situation that was significantly less ideal than the best case scenario. most people have a faulty understanding of probability and outcome and risk assessment, and this is somehow a really good example of failing to understand all three.

[(Anonymous)]

for real. as someone who knows shit all about gymnastics, when the immediate consensus was "it's good you pulled out because you could have paralyzed yourself" I was willing to take their expertise over my uninformed opinion, and it was the right take. The full explanation for what this term means among athletes left me immediately with a reaction of holy shit, she really could have hurt herself, and I'll gladly stick with that over medals or whatever the fuck OP is on about.

[(Anonymous)]

She could have fucking died or been severely injured. Also might have cost her team a metal entirely.

But yes let's listen to your wrong-headed and asinine secret. Asshole

[(Anonymous)]

Did you cut yourself on that edge, OP?

[(Anonymous)]

Wtf is wrong with you OP.

[(Anonymous)]

I heard someone say her reasoning for backing out was based on greed(??). Your take is somehow just as stupid as that.

[(Anonymous)]

I saw a tweet where someone said she waited to pull out until the Olympics because she still wanted to get a medal and like...she already has medals? Why would she travel overseas during a global pandemic and open herself up to torrents of online criticism from idiots all so she could get a single shiny medal when she is literally the most decorated gymnast of all time.

[tabaqui]

Not only what others have said here, but were you aware her Aunt DIED while Ms Biles was in Tokyo? She has pressure piled upon pressure and it was her right - and the right thing - for her to drop out like she did.

Dunno why you feel this way, OP, but you really need to educate about mental health and, apparently, how the Olympic team sports work.

[(Anonymous)]

Perhaps you're right. This year Olympics is a joke... There's a pandemia going on and they're organizing sports. I also think that Olympic level sport is damaging to health even without all the drugs. So I disaprove of all the athlets there by default.

[(Anonymous)]

You realize that the US Women's Artistic Gymnastics team medaled in literally every event. Three gymnasts can compete in each event in the team finals, which they did (and Simone Biles helped them qualify for the finals). Two gymnasts could compete in the individual all-around, which they did (only two per NOC can compete and five US gymnasts had high enough scores to qualify, so it is likely the same gymnasts would have competed if Simone Biles hadn't been in the qualifying round). Basically, what it boils down to is that if Simone Biles had not gone to the Olympics, most what the US team did would have likely gone much the same way, except there would be no bronze for balance beam. And since she didn't realize she was going to have problems until she did that vault in a finals event, given how well she performed in the qualifiers, when was she supposed to drop out?

[(Anonymous)]

If the only thing you've heard about this story is that she backed down because she didn't feel good, mentally and emotionally, then I can understand your take. In a theoretical situation where many other people have worked nearly as hard as you have for this event, and you're the strongest part of the team, I don't think it's cool to back out because you're depressed or anxious. I say that as someone who is diagnosed with fairly severe anxiety and depression.

But that's not what happened here. She didn't opt out because she was feeling depressed. She opted out because she was experiencing a health condition that she couldn't just "tough out" until after the event - a health condition that directly and disastrously affected her ability to perform, made it very unlikely that she would be able to do well in the event, and made it all too likely that she would seriously, even permanently injure herself.

Her sitting it out wasn't her being a selfish snowflake. Her sitting it out was her taking one for the team by not dragging them down, and by ensuring she'd still be physically able to compete with them in the future.

[sara]

You jackass, it's not her job to die for you on television.

[(Anonymous)]

This seems like a hell of a lot of presumption. She would almost definitely have got gold. She must have had really good reason to pull out from competing. Mental health isn't visible, none of us know how bad things were for her. Leave her alone.