[ SECRET POST #780 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #780 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

101.
[Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure]


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[ShakespeaRetold; The Taming of the Shrew]


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[Bones]


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[Torchwood]


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[Skins, Freddie]


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[resized]


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[Nintendo Power, Nester comic]


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[the lonely island, jorma/andy]


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[Are You Afraid of the Dark?]


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[Bill Hicks]


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[Dollhouse]


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[Dr. Horrible]


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[Merlin]


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[Pride and Prejudice]


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[Roger Bart]


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[Demon Knight]


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[Candy]


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[Knights of the Old Republic]


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[Dr. Who]


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[Rockers]


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[Soul Eater]


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[Scrap Heaven]


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[Avatar]


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[Erin Kelly, Loving Annabelle]


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[Joe Biden]


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[Bleach]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 13 pages, 320 secrets from Secret Submission Post #112.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

117. Oh no, people are liking something I don't! The horrors!

125. Whatwhat shippy pirates what is the context here?

127. Yes. Yaoi is in fact gay porn for women. So? Men have their lesbian spank infernos, women get their weepy ukes topped by strong semes, and neither of them make sense in the real world. I don't really see anything wrong with it.

[nationalboner.livejournal.com]

127 - Exactly. As long as we're all aware that these are fantasies, and not reality, it shouldn't be a problem.

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

127. No kidding. If you think gay people in yaoi are like gay people in reality, you have a few more problems than just liking to look at pictures of pretty boys.

[pimmy.livejournal.com]

"lesbian spank infernos" okay I lol'd at that.

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

I'm trying to remember where I picked that one up from and I'm drawing a blank.

[antiva.livejournal.com]

The British Coupling, I believe xD

[eviinsanemonkey.livejournal.com]

lesbian spank infernos
How would you like your dish-of-win served?

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

Medium rare on a bed of jasmine rice, please.

Re: 127

[eviinsanemonkey.livejournal.com]

Can do!

*cooks*
*serves up*
Enjoy!

Re: 127

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

*salts win and dines on* Gracias!

127

[miss_prince.livejournal.com]

I would like to comment that even though the genders are reversed, those are both examples of straight people fetishizing gay people, which, as a gay person, does not sit well with me at all :/

Re: 127

[eviinsanemonkey.livejournal.com]

Not every single slash fic is about "teh hawt ghey sex!" Personally speaking, I prefer stories that don't focus on "teh sex" because I ship people based on their interaction and dynamic and seeing that play out in different scenarios in fic is interesting to me.

Re: 127

[miss_prince.livejournal.com]

I know that; I've enjoyed slash fic at times, and I know I've enjoyed femslash written by men. I don't agree with the generalization the OP is making. It's the "it's not for you, you have no right to be bothered by it" attitude that I find really bothersome.

Re: 127

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think the attitude really is "it's not for you, you have no right to be bothered by it," as much as that it isn't supposed to be realistic. There isn't a reason to get offended over it. At least it seems like yaoi/slash writers care enough about the characters to make them human, even if they mess up at making them always act male. And honestly? Not all yaoi/slash makes one of the characters act like a girl (especially if it's fanfiction and the character doesn't act like that in canon.) Not all yaoi/slash has an obvious seme and an uke. And honestly? The better ones don't. I'm more into slash fic than original yaoi, and I can say that 99% of the time, a good fic is going to keep the characters' canon personalities when they deal with each other.

Saying "gay men don't act like that!!!" at every slashfic in the history of ever is not so much "defending your sexuality" as stereotyping gay people. Not everyone who's gay has a certain personality or certain mannerisms- yeah, it's probably accurate to say that giving a gay couple the power dynamics of a het couple is inaccurate, but most good slash writers don't do that. I write femslash, and if people talked about keeping your girls acting believably like girls, that would sound sexist- so why is it made that big of a deal if our boys are acting masculine all the time?

Also, yeah, I've met gay guys that liked slash and yaoi- the availability of those materials is what helped some of them realize they were attracted to men in the first place. So yeah.

Re: 127

[herongale]

Well, who has the right to be bothered by anyone's sexuality... gay or straight?

Plenty of gay men fetishize straight guys. Something wrong with that?
Plenty of dyed-in-the-wool lesbians jerk off to yaoi. Is this a problem?

You should recognize that sexuality is not something that straight people appropriate at the expense of gay people, nor vice versa. It's not a zero sum game.

Can people APPROPRIATE sexuality, anyway? Isn't what they feel something that comes from inside of them? Sexual desires can be complex and contradictory. Being "straight" doesn't exclude someone from being queer... just ask a transsexual. I think the bigger problem is not that straight people are "taking advantage" of queer people with their sexual fantasies... the problem is when straight people refuse to accept that this just might make them a tiny bit queer themselves.

Re: 127

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

Very good point, I was just focusing on the erotic aspect of it. I personally write slash for the character dynamics and occasional messing around with cultural stuff, I've never made it up to actual porn.

Re: 127

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

Who says we're straight? I'm bisexual and I have several gay, bisexual, or "check the box marked 'other'" friends of both genders who also slash and enjoy yaoi.

Can't I fetishize myself?

Re: 127

[miss_prince.livejournal.com]

I was responding to your "gay porn for women, lesbian porn for men" statement which suggested heterosexuality. Like I said above, I've read and enjoyed slash myself, and the generalization the OP makes is quite frankly wrong, but I disagree with the idea that gay people aren't allowed to be bothered by the prolific "doin' it wrong" present in yaoi.

Re: 127

[(Anonymous)]

I get what you're saying but at the same time i've seen a million het stories written by gay and lesbian writers. As much as i've seen gay and lesbian stories written by straight men and women.

Everything can be considered a fetish to be particularly honest, yaoi could be an extended fantasy of a bisexual themed threesome (m/m/f), etc.

Just as much as normal sex is a fetish to some, hey; maybe the missionary with a man and woman is all that get's you off. There is nothing wrong with that, it's just your thing.

Yaoi is the modern trashy romance novel, in my opinion, it works for some and it squicks the rest.

Re: 127

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Everything can be considered a fetish to be particularly honest, yaoi could be an extended fantasy of a bisexual themed threesome (m/m/f), etc.


I'm suddenly reminded of THE fic that broke me into fanfic porn, in which I read a female OC having a threesome with two commonly paired yaoi guys.

So yeah, I think you have a point. Hm.

Re: 127

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Thank you.

125 OP

[(Anonymous)]

It's from a Canadian children's horror anthology program called 'Are You Afraid of the Dark?', which aired in the early to mid '90s on Nickelodeon.

The characters are Dr. Vink, an eccentric omniscient who transcends the boundaries of good and evil, and Sardo, a cowardly schemer who runs a novelty shop and sells overpriced junk which occasionally holds magical properties.




(BEST SHOW EVER.)

Re: 125 OP

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

That is less piratey than I expected. *sadface* But still good!

[(Anonymous)]

127. The problem is when slashers think they're so superior and edgy. Remember "all het is unequal"? That's a popular one.

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

...no, I don't remember that. In fact, I have no idea what you're talking about.