[ SECRET POST #782 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #782 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 07 pages, 165 secrets from Secret Submission Post #112.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ].
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Comments

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[sulwen.livejournal.com]

103. I'm sorry. I promise that I'm not trying to be special or cool. I'm just being true to myself. Most girls and women, in real life and in fiction, just piss me off. I do not find them interesting or worthy of respect in any way. I feel this way about many men as well, but it seems to occur more often with members of my own gender. There are a few exceptions, and I hang onto those amazing women for dear life. But I'm absolutely not going to force myself to like or appreciate something or someone I don't just for the sake of a cause or a belief. That's not freedom, let alone feminism.

Re: 103

[(Anonymous)]

WORD. :>

Re: 103

[sulwen.livejournal.com]

Thanks - I'm glad someone out there agrees with me. :-)

Re: 103

[(Anonymous)]

Congrats, you're a misogynist.

Re: 103

[cykotyks.livejournal.com]

Actually, it's probably closer to misanthropy. It's one thing to hate women for being women and love men for being men, quite another to hate people for being people.

And quite honestly, I don't see anything wrong with hating the stupidity of the majority.

Re: 103

[sulwen.livejournal.com]

You're correct - I would absolutely describe myself as a misanthrope.

Re: 103

[flyingcharr.livejournal.com]

It's sad but true, a lot of women (not fandom) but real life women are gossipy and catty and especially cruel to one another. This holds doubly true for those who look down on you for not living up to 'their standards'. Women like that just make me so uncomfortable. So I think I understand how you feel.

Re: 103

[mechanicaljewel.livejournal.com]

How is sitting here saying "a lot of women are catty and cruel" not in and of itself catty and cruel? Especially if it informs how you interact with them in real life? Maybe if you approach every person you meet openly and amiably, you'd find much different people.

this is insane

[3goodtimes.livejournal.com]

I really want to know where you and the OP come from. Maybe I'm just extremely lucky. I went to a high school with around 500 other girls and never had one fight. Not one. Nor was I bullied or gossiped about. It was good feeling all around. Some of the happiest times of my life. For four straight years.

I don't want to call you a liar, but I cannot for the life of me imagine how anyone can say half the population of the world is generally gossipy and catty. It's just completely ridiculous to me. Mind-boggling.

How can a group that large be defined so easily? What about your mother? Your grandma? Your teachers, sisters?

Re: this is insane

[sulwen.livejournal.com]

I didn't say that they were gossipy and catty, although some certainly can be. I said that I didn't find them interesting or worthy of my respect - as I find most people in general. That has nothing to do with meanness. Most of the girls I went to high school with never demonstrated the ability, much less the inclination, to have a meaningful, intelligent conversation. That's all I'm asking for.

Also, I did mention that there are exceptions. My mother and one of my grandmothers are in that group. My other grandmother, and occasionally my sister? Not so much.

I'm from Ohio, by the way, to answer your question. I hate the overall mentality of the people here, and will be leaving as soon as I'm able.

Re: this is insane

[karel]

I honestly want to throw my two cents in here and say that almost every single girl (save for my best friend and her family -- they kept me from "hating" girls completely) I've known up until the past couple of years (college is so different, and I mean that in a good way) has lied to my face in order to hurt me, has talked about my behind my back, and even my own sisters (one of them younger than me) have talked down to me as though I were the scum of the earth. I've had girls steal guys right out from in front of my face that they didn't even like.

Boys were much more honest with me and, for a while, were the only people who would invite me along with them for social activities (and no, it was not in hopes of getting into my pants. I wish this idea would die a quick death).

I'm happy that I'm meeting girls that are disconfirming years of mistrust for me (though it's still very difficult not to be apprehensive), but I can understand where the OP is coming from. Sometimes, if there's something "just not right" about you (for me, it was money and looks -- I had neither up until college, when I "bloomed"), nothing you can do can put you into the good graces of high school girls.

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[valeria-15.livejournal.com]

I hear ya. A lot of women do that: they want you to live up to a standard and take it easier on men. I've seen this in families, and the mothers have placed a high standard on their daughters, and less on their sons. But fathers place more on their sons as well. Get my meaning?

Re: 103

[mechanicaljewel.livejournal.com]

Have you ever tried, you know, actually getting to know these women who "piss you off"? It's possible that they're just putting up a front to be accepted by a male-dominated society.

Re: 103

[(Anonymous)]

putting up a front to be accepted by a male-dominated society.


from what she said in her previous post about how the women who act that way piss her off, that is not what i'd expect to be accepted by a male-dominated society. Quite the opposite.

Re: 103

[sulwen.livejournal.com]

It's possible, but why should I put in the effort? I feel absolutely no desire to have friends beyond my current ones. Therefore, I'm going to judge you based on the face you choose to show the world. If you really want my respect, you can earn it.

I know that sounds just horrible of me, but I really am a fairly mean-spirited person. I'm ok with it. :-)

Re: 103

[(Anonymous)]

What I love about your commentary is your assumption that she HASN'T already tried.

Way to go!

Re: 103

[(Anonymous)]

But do you acknowledge women as people, capable of the same things as men and deserving of the same treatment? I don't mean the actual women around you; it's one thing to say, "Of the women that I know, there isn't anyone I like or respect," but quite another to say, "Being unlikable is just how women are, with a few exceptions, and therefore I simply cannot see them as otherwise." You don't have to expect yourself to like other women just because they are women, but you should be open to the idea that you could meet other people you could like, who also happen to be women.

Re: 103

[(Anonymous)]

This.

Re: 103

[3goodtimes.livejournal.com]

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Re: 103

[sulwen.livejournal.com]

I do acknowledge that. I have, as I said in a few earlier comments, a few female friends that I absolutely adore. Each person I meet is judged based on the same criteria. It's not my fault that the majority of them fail miserably.

Re: 103

[dwinghy.livejournal.com]

If "most females" piss you off, it probably says more about you than it does everybody else. I mean, you're the common denominator here.

Re: 103

[sulwen.livejournal.com]

This is very likely true. I am a pretty mean person, by most standards of morality. I have extremely high standards for those I choose to associate myself with, and I like it that way. I still feel that I have the right to express my opinion, as did the OP of the secret.

Re: 103

[boosette.livejournal.com]

or worthy of respect in any way

Does that apply specifically to female characters or to real women as well?

Re: 103

[sulwen.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking mostly characters here, but there are certainly people for which I feel mostly pity and disgust rather than any sort of respect.