[ SECRET POST #5523 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5523 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

All transpeople are punk. You can't call someone out for telling the truth.

[(Anonymous)]

n....no.

I'm rave, not punk, and no amount of wanting a thing is going to make me do more than appreciate punk as a musical style and a potential political statement.

[(Anonymous)]

I am not remotely punk, but Wiki says--

The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action and not "selling out".

I think AYRT is essentially saying that all trans people are inherently societally non-conformist by nature of the fact that they're trans, and therefore all trans people are punk. Personally I think it's a cool sentiment. Is it definitively True-with-a-capital-T? Nah, it's not that kind of a statement. But I still dig it.

[(Anonymous)]

They are in one way sure, but most trans people I know do not remotely meet any other part of that ethos.

[(Anonymous)]

YMMV. It made sense to me and I dig it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a question of it making sense or not. Punk is literally all of those things. Trans people are anti-establishment just by existing. That doesn't mean, as individual humans, that they also consciously have decided to embrace the rest of the stances that make up the punk ethos and it's ridiculous and reductive to say otherwise.

Can a trans person be punk? Of course. Are all trans people inherently punk? No.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

How on earth is it ridiculous or reductive? How is it reductive, especially? I don’t really understand how you found offense in a comment where there wasn’t any that I can see, because ayrt is being completely innocuous in their comments.

This is like saying “Be Gay, Do Crime” is reductive. I think you’re reading too much into this, and assuming intent from ayrt to literally label all trans people as punk. Instead of the more likely interpretation of this being tongue in cheek, as a response to the similar light hearted tone of the secret.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Because it assumes all trans people must be the same, that's why it's reductive.

[iff_and_xor]

I’m fully in favour of more punk trans characters.

This also makes me feel like I want to read a linguistic analysis of the use of “punk” and “queer”. They seem to lend themselves to similar uses, implying rebellion, subversion, and creative re-creation.

[sabotabby]

The majority of trans people I know are punk so like, statistically you're probably just reflecting reality.

[(Anonymous)]

Lemme guess, they also all have a highly original under- or side cut.

[(Anonymous)]

And this comment was necessary how?

[(Anonymous)]

Secret OP here

Tbh I don't think I've ever described a character's hair in one of my fics 😆 I guess it's just not something I think about.

Also, what's wrong with side-cuts and under-cuts? I mean, I could never actually maintain one (there's a reason I just buzz my hair myself every 2 weeks or so lol), but they look great on people!

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT it's a popular tactic to call that haircut a "stereotype" for trans and also lesbian and other wlw characters, because anything that's actually popular in those communities like a hair or clothing style is them harmfully stereotyping themselves :(

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Oh, I know. I just act like a complete moron who doesn't know my own stereotypes so people have to explain their stupidity to me or disengage awkwardly 😆

[(Anonymous)]

Another NYART

Honestly, that’s a good tactic!

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, it is a stereotype for trans people but it's much more a stereotype for punk.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone brought up the very good and true point that fandom is weird when it comes to explanations for why a character is trans. They were talking about headcanons, but I've noticed it's true for OCs too. And that is that no explanation is a good explanation. If a character is trans, and you share your reasons for making them trans, fandom will in turn find a reason to call your reasoning bad. I think it's plain to see from this that they just don't like trans characters and are hiding it behind This Is Offensive to Trans People Because Blah Blah Blah statements, so nothing will please them and you're better off ignoring them and writing the way you want to. Who cares if your writing is influenced by your experiences? Every writer's is, whether they're aware of how or not. It just bothers people when they don't like your characters.

[(Anonymous)]

I've got to say the only fanfic I've read with trans male character headcanon that I actually liked was with him being punk-ish and heavily leaning into music scene. Most of others I read were flat and somehow awfully OOC

[(Anonymous)]

Being very punk and leaning heavily into the music scene sounds like it has much more potential for being OOC for most fandom characters than a character simply being trans (which is not a character trait in of itself, no matter how much some people try to pretend otherwise).

[(Anonymous)]

It would be very OOC for a lot of characters, but all AYRT said is that it worked for this one specific character to be written as trans and punk. I do agree that the punk aesthetic and being part of the music scene in a big way has more chances of making a character OOC in fic than being written as trans. As I can personally confirm for myself through all of the punk/scene kid and band/musician AUs I’ve read, which were all wildy OOC. And really not my kind of fic usually as a result, despite me being a fan of punk rock and fashion, and generally punk aesthetic. In comparison, I’ve read a lot more trans headcanon fic that has the characters be a lot more IC. Because many of these authors know the characters well enough to know how to write them, and know that being trans doesn’t(and realistically wouldn’t) change a characters personality completely, so they wouldn’t need to be OOC. So my experience with trans fic is completely different from ayrt’s.

I’ve never really seen what you’re talking about as far as people treating being trans as a character trait, though. It is a character trait in a way, as far as someone writing a character as trans involves them technically adding that as a trait to the character the same way any other descriptive traits are added to characters. But being trans is definitely not a personality trait, if that’s what you mean. And it would be frustrating for people to insist otherwise, because that’s a reductive and ignorant way of looking at trans people.

[(Anonymous)]

I read the comment as "all other trans male headcanons in general were OOC", not necessarily for this one character so that's why I thought it was a weird generalisation.

And yes, personality trait. That's the word I was looking for, thanks.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I definitely get how that would seem like a generalization now that you mention that. And rereading AYRT’s comment, I can see how it can be read that way. I can’t even really confirm that that isn’t what they meant honestly, but I hope they weren’t saying something generalized like that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it was a bit generalized, but sadly people really manage often enough to make being trans into character trait at least in fandoms I read fics in. Or it's vaguely reads as a fetish thing, so yakes for me.
Sorry for any confusion, I just mean that after this fic I have a soft spot trans punk characters, this fic was really good and character in question was described as someone from subculture one way or another in canon