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[ SECRET POST #5529 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5529 ⌋

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[Princess Clown]

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[Pedro Pascal]

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I LOATHE that trope. I hate hate hate when that happens in a fic or a movie or a tv show. If it were to happen to me in real life i would be SO fucking angry, and basically done with whoever had perpetrated it.

And yes - HATE when that person's 'friends' or family are all 'oh, lighten up!!'.
Fuck no, hell no, never fucking ever get out of my fucking house.

*cough*

TL;DR - I'm with ya, OP.

I don't know what show this is, but I couldn't agree more with your sentiments. That trope is infuriating to me, and I hate hate hate when all the blame and scorn is put on the character having their boundaries violated to such a degree because they're "too uptight." It's good to know that I'm not the only one who feels this way, though.

That is a seriously fucked up scenario. I hate any trope where privacy isn't respected (looking at you, dosed with truth serum).

Truth serums a funny one for me. If it's treated as a joke then he'll no. If it's treated as the violation it is then I can cope. And I don't mean thirty chapters of everyone hand wringing over it, just people trying to help the doped person by not listening/acknowledging it is enough for me.

IA, and it's an incredibly rare truth serum story where friends immediately move to protect the doped person from speaking.

You'd hope these days it would be more common, but you're right it does seem very rare.

I did write one once, it was a lot of fun. They locked the dosee in the back of the ship and surveilled him with the sound off. Piped in music to calm him and he started, um, dancing. If you can call it that.

Look, no system is perfect. :D

I guess the problem with that style of dealing with truth serum in a story, is that it becomes a pointless part of the plot. Guess you need a middle ground for it to add anything. People try and help but something is revealed anyway. Would definitely like to see more of that in fic. Your mileage obviously varies though.

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Well, for me, it would depend on the kind of movie, and whether or not the scene is seriously being presented as no big deal. I wouldn't mind it in a comedy, since I expect some stupid shit to happen. But in anything else, it would probably bother me, especially if the boundary crusher is making the boundary-crushed out to be the unreasonable one.

Is this Death In Paradise?

Yes, it is.

(Never expected to get spoiled for this show on FS lol! I watch it on PBS and didn't know we were that far behind the UK.)

I hate that too. Has the show gotten worse about that? I feel like the first series walked a pretty good line of testing Richard’s boundaries without stomping over them. I haven’t really been watching the newest detective, so I haven’t seen this episode you’re talking about.

I think at least some of the detectives after Richard were less uptight. Like, Ardal O'Hanlon's character might have gone out for more beer.

I agree the trope is terrible.

LOL, I think all the detectives after Richard were less uptight. Until maybe the latest guy, who I haven't seen. Frankly, I liked that they went in a more open-minded, less neurotic direction after Richard and wish they would've stayed on that path.

It definitely helps for them to mix it up in terms of character types. One of the reasons I stopped watching is because the newest guy felt like a less interesting re-hash of some of Richard’s issues.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of this trope either. It does depending on exactly how it's handled, but it can often be pretty obnoxious.

Though personally, the one that bothers me more is when a character gets dragged along on some activity they had no say in and actively tried to refuse, and then they get treated like they're being a big old meanie downer for not being happy and cheerful the whole time.

Ugh, hate.

I don't know what show this is, but this trope is the worst.

Another introvert +1'ing this secret.

I like how Bojack Horseman dealt with this issue, and even offscreen to boot. After a birthday party at the library, Diane returns home with Mr. Peanutbutter, only for him to have thrown a surprise party in their house as well...

... making an explicitly socially-spent Diane snap in the middle of it, due to her being overwhelmed and exhausted over a party she didn't even want. It's what begins the collapse of her relationship with Mr. Peanutbutter, as we're shown how self-centered the later is for all his codependency.

For crying out loud, writers like these never had children not of their own fucking up their stuff.

Ugh, yes. I don't even like seeing this trope played for laughs most of the time, it's too obnoxious.

I've thought about this a lot, because I do think there can be a social good to gently banging on dysfunctional boundaries with caveats, and I think my main problem is that with these shows the person whose boundaries are violated never gets a perspective beyond "stop!" and the person breaking them is legit causing chaos and unhappiness. That's not my only problem but it's my main one.

Best comment. What you say about "gently banging on dysfunctional boundaries" is something I was thinking when I first read the secret, but couldn't really think how to phrase it in a way that felt nuanced and balanced and fair.

As someone who definitely has my share of dysfunctional boundaries, I still very much agree with this comment.

I was so relieved when Parks and Rec subverted it for at least Ron Swanson’s “surprise” birthday party - though ymmv whether the day-long pranking about how big and ridiculous they were going to make it crossed a boundary.

Considering I live with someone who refuses to understand boundaries small and large, I feel you. It's the worst.

Hey, just in case you're my neighbor and you're talking about your boyfriend - dump his ass. I know he's rich, but is it really worth it?

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