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⌈ Secret Post #5571 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Because Ross' awfulness is right out there in the open, with Phoebe it takes a little bit to cut through her upbeat quirkiness to see the awful.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, there are way more people in RL who are annoying and shitty in the way that Ross is annoying and shitty.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much this. Chances are most people will never meet a Phoebe. But almost everyone has had the displeasure of meeting a Ross.

[sparklywalls]

I feel so conflicted because I don't like Ross but totally get his exasperation with some of the stuff Phoebe believes because that'd annoy me too. So I actually end up on his side!

Any time I try to decide who my least favourite is (other than Ross) I do usually land on Phoebe I have to say.

[(Anonymous)]

I get where you’re coming from, especially being conflicted, because I actually do like Ross from a comedic standpoint. And I’ve sided with Ross on other things, like The Break fiasco, which is both of their faults. Ross’s for sleeping with someone within hours, Rachel’s for not being clearer about what being “on a break” even mean, and how it’s different from breaking up.

But I’m still almost never on his side for these times with Phoebe. Yes, her beliefs are rather kooky, and that must be frustrating for a paleontologist like Ross. But it’s still not his right to try to change other’s beliefs to try to fit his own, no matter if he’s the one with science on his side or not. And he’s trying to do that with Phoebe pretty much every time she brings up her differing beliefs and opinions, and refuses to let it go, like in The One Where Heckles Dies. That’s unacceptable behavior. And she even calls him on his arrogance, and he has nothing to say to that to even attempt to defend himself. Because he knows she’s right.

And that’s why after him bugging her about her beliefs across the first 4 seasons, The One with the Cat finally has him leave her alone about not conforming to his beliefs. Even though the episode still does suck, and the fact that Phoebe kept someone else’s cat for so long under the belief it was her mom was still awful. It’s funny that the episode where Ross finally lets his arrogant superiority habit with Phoebe go is the one episode I was definitely on his side because he was completely right about this cat needing to be brought back to his owners.

[sparklywalls]

You're right, even though I agree with him/am not really a believer in the spiritual, he's definitely a total arsehole about it. In real life I mostly live and let live with that stuff unless I feel like someone is going to get conned out of a lot of money or is risking harm to themselves or whatever, then I might say something.

But it's a comedy show and everything is done for exaggeration, including Phoebe's kookiness and Ross being a jerk to her about it.

That's interesting about the cat episode though. Huh, never realised that before. He would've been within his rights to actually keep calling her out on that one seeing as it was someone's pet.

[meadowphoenix]

conversation about archetypes are always so interesting because I really don't hate any friends character? They're too clearly for sole purpose of comedy personality conflicts to hate. I don't think people would hate Ross as much if his Rachel bullshit wasn't a throughline of the show. Most of his other foibles only harm himself, and otherwise he's most reasonable one. I think Phoebe's foibles actually always affect other people, but she's clearly more empathetic and chill so people don't mind it as much.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. And I also don’t hate any Friends characters, because they’re all likable and funny in their own ways to me.

[(Anonymous)]

In a cast of largely self-absorbed and entitled characters, Ross was also whiny and sulky, and apparently that's where a lot of people draw the line.

[(Anonymous)]

For a lot of people, it’s more his behavior towards Rachel. Both in his somewhat creepy “nice guy” traits towards her before they dated, his possessiveness while they were dating, and the way he acted after The Break. For example, when they were still dating he treated her terribly about her having a new and demanding career that she was passionate about when she started working for Bloomingdale’s, because she wasn’t at his beck and call anymore. That relationship was a disaster all around.

He’s also a condescending know-it-all who treats his friends as lesser because they’re not as smart or well-education as him. I think Chandler is the only one he doesn’t act that way towards, because while Chandler isn’t as smart, he still has the next most “respectable career”. (For a while, at least, until Chandler quits.) And they were college roommates, so Ross knows he’s just as well-educated, and doesn’t condescend to him the same way he does the others. He may be whiny and sulky, but I’ve only seen that be the only thing that made him hated for a few people. Especially because he stopped being sulky after a couple of seasons, though he remained whiny.

I’m saying this as someone who likes Ross just as much as I like the rest of the cast. He’s just as funny as his friends to me. But man does he have a lot of faults! So do the rest, of course. But his are more front and center than others. And he also displays a lot of behavior that was considered tame but pathetic in the 90s-early 00s, but are considered much worse to a modern audience. Like his aforementioned “nice guy” traits. That plays a part.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Ross is an awful person, but I fucking hate Phoebe and that character type. "Look at how dIffERenT I am and I also don't realize how idiotically I behave, and yet magically everyone around me tolerates it!"

[(Anonymous)]

I hate Ross more by a fair margin, but lol your description of Phoebe is spot on.

[(Anonymous)]

Early Phoebe was definitely too much. I feel she did become slightly less of a caricature as the show went on. On the other hand, Ross became worse and more one-note as the show went on. So there might be something of a recency/memory bias, too.

But really, my least favorite was Rachel.