[ SECRET POST #5572 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5572 ⌋

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01. [SPOILERS for The Book of Boba Fett]




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02. [SPOILERS for Mystic Nine]




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03. [WARNING for discussion of homophobia]




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04. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]




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05. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

[Ideology in Friction]


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06. [WARNING for discussion of sexual assault (by the actor, IRL)]





















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Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

Hasn't she experienced a sexual assault and is afraid a man in a female space will assault women?

It might not be that likely to occur, but that's one of her reasons.

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[(Anonymous)]

She has, and that is one of her reasons why she’s a TERF. And that’s why OP is full of it. She’s already laid out her reasoning, flimsy though it is. There’s no reason to speculate it’s because she’s secretly a closeted trans man, other than outdated stereotypes.

And you’re correct that it’s not that likely to occur. At least not in the way she thinks, in that a man already planning to break the law will go to the trouble of pretending to be a trans woman, or a woman at all to “fool anyone”. They’d just walk in with no disguise.

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[(Anonymous)]

The thing I don't get: it's considered perfectly understandable for a woman who was a victim of sexual assault by a man to be wary of men in general. Trends like "men are trash" are popular every once in a while for a reason, and they are largely celebrated, agreed on and encouraged. Why is that okay, but a woman who gets assaulted by a trans person does not have the same right to be wary of the subgroup her assailant belongs to?

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[(Anonymous)]

Because she wants to bar that subgroup from a fucking bathroom that's correct for them and put them in danger to appease her trauma, TERFanon.

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[(Anonymous)]

I never said I agree with her, honey, I actually think that hate for a certain group of people based on you own isolated experiendes is dumb in every direction, I just think it's weird how there are double standards depending on who's talking, and about which group. Why one group's trauma makes it acceptable to condemn an entire group of people but another doesn't.

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[(Anonymous)]

It's not double standards, you TERF asswipe who deserves to rot in the trash alone and miserable. I hope all your kids are trans and leave you to die alone in a shitty retirement home while your partner divorces you and takes every last fucking dime.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yep. Agree 100%

(frozen comment) Anon you originally asked the question:

[(Anonymous)]

If you understand it’s wrong, why are you trying to even ask this? This is a bit of a bad faith question if you know and believe “I actually think that hate for a certain group of people based on you own isolated experiendes is dumb in every direction”.

It’s not a double standard. Hating or fearing any groups of people is considered understandable if not troubling when it’s based on trauma, and is only unacceptable when actions are taken against that group of people based on this fear and hatred. As another anon said; it’s all about the effects, not that cause. And that’s besides the point that your example isn’t equal to trans people. Men are not an oppressed group or a minority, and any attempts to make life harder for them won’t get very far. But trans people are an oppressed minority, and actions taken against them by people that fear and hate them happens every day. Transphobic laws and attacks are part of the life of trans people. TERFs that have been through trauma can be sympathized with for their trauma, but that doesn’t mean they’re justified in trying to make life hell for trans people, or that anyone has to tolerate their intolerance and prejudice.

And this is also besides the fact that every time JKR has opened up about her abuse, she has said it was done to her by a cis man. Trans women are women, not men, no matter what transphobic people say. So why should anyone think she’s justified for her transphobic actions if her trauma has nothing to do with trans people?

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[(Anonymous)]

If groups of women were trying to legally take away rights from all men on account of their trauma with men, that might be understandable, but it still wouldn't be acceptable and shouldn't be allowed. Anyone having trauma from an experience with any group is understandable, though it's recommended that they get help that can lessen the trauma. Anyone having trauma from an experience with any group and using it as a talking point towards discrimination against that group is never acceptable, no, so your point there is moot.

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[(Anonymous)]

+1000 it's not about the cause, it's about the effect

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[(Anonymous)]

Exactly this!

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes, and it's a really common line of reasoning among UK TERFs in particular. That plus "poor little lesbians will think they're really men and transition" which sometimes comes from TERF lesbians and sometimes comes from raging homophobes.

Of course, to follow that line of reasoning you have to start by assuming that trans women are men AND that men would never invade a women-only space because...um...some reason....

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[(Anonymous)]

+100

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[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes, it just comes from health care professionals who see the major influx in numbers of afabs who transition, only to detransition later. Or prison personell who see the rise in rapes by men who self-identified as women to get into the womens' jail. It's almost as if you can actually criticise a development based on facts but no, must be transphobia.

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[(Anonymous)]

Most people who detransition do so for their own fucking protection because of transphobes, you fucking TERF. Like "Ex-gays" who are really just going back into the closet.

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[(Anonymous)]

Sure, as long as you believe it.
Funny how you're all in when it comes to gender affirmation, except when it doesn't fit your agenda. The it's suddenly "they don't REALLY want to detranstion" which... sound an awful lot like "you don't really WANT to transition, its just a phase" a lot of trans people hear.

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[(Anonymous)]

NA

That anon raises a fair point though: how do you feel about ex-gays? Do you believe that the existence of ex-gays proves that straight youths are brainwashed by the gay agenda to think of themselves as gay, when in reality they are just confused straights?

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[(Anonymous)]

No, this has literally been studied, TERFanon. Fuck off into the gutter you crawled out of and go suck an egg.

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[(Anonymous)]

This is the only common sense comment in this damn sub-thread.

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[(Anonymous)]

nah turns out it’s that one terf anon who calls any and all support for trans people a cult. Very reasonable position to take.

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[(Anonymous)]

If by “common sense”, you mean debunked TERF bs, then sure. It’s very telling of the kind of person you are that you’ll assume anyone who agrees with you is the only other person with common sense, or that your beliefs are automatically common sense. That’s not arrogant and cult-like at all...

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[(Anonymous)]

“Major influx”, “the rise”… when it’s actually isolated cases. A+ fearmongering.

What IS wrong with women in the UK? Y’all are spearheading an ugly movement and for the life of me I can’t understand what specific sociocultural reason has led you down this road.

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[(Anonymous)]

Nop but nice try. It's not isolated incidents at all. I know you don't like hearing that though and will continue ignoring it. It's what cult member always do when their doctrine gets challenged.

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[(Anonymous)]

There is not a "major influx" of detransitioners. The actual percentages haven't moved much at all, and could be lowered by increasing ease of access to information and services. Not eliminated, there will always be people who detransition, because people change over a lifetime, and because in the case of medical transitioning, any major medical intervention comes with a risk of having negative impact on an individual person, but lowered.

As for men self-identifying as women to get into the women's jail and get their rape on, that's straight up urban legend.

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[(Anonymous)]

You’re obviously acting in bad faith, and have ignored every argument that goes against you. And have insulted and used ad hominem against everyone who actually knows what they’re talking about unlike you. You hate being called a TERF or accused of being transphobic so much? Maybe stop acting like you are and stop mindlessly parroting transphobic nonsense.

One of the major reasons trans people, trans women especially detransition is because of transphobic backlash. There’s obviously others reasons, like isolated instances of health complications, as well as the people who transitioned changing their minds. That doesn’t mean the people who detransition are always changing their mind about being trans, because that’s not always the case. They just sometimes decided they weren’t ready to transition yet, or sometimes they’ve discovered their gender identity is different than just cis or trans. There’s a lot of variety and nuance that you’re obviously ignorant of because it goes against your narrative. And you’re definitely not going to acknowledge that the transphobia that still infects society, transphobia that you happily repeat, is a major reason that many people detransition in an attempt to stop being targeted and attacked by bigots.

And as others who have actually done research have told you, there is no influx of trans women or men who self-identify as women(which is a different thing than trans women, because trans women are women) trying to get into women’s prisons to rape women. There have been only a few isolated instances of anything even resembling that. Far fewer than cis women raping other cis women in prison, which of course you don’t acknowledge. In reality, this whole talking point by TERFs has been debunked as soon as it started popping up in TERF manifestos, and is an urban legend.