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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2022-04-28 07:22 pm

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(Anonymous) 2022-04-28 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Was this really a thing?

(Anonymous) 2022-04-28 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah -- it was a whole thing too for awhile too on how fans decried Emma Watson growing up pretty meant movie!Hermione was made more attractive because they wanted to capitalized on Emma's looks --- so Hermione became more put together in the later films (sleeker hair that was pulled back from her face, the change to more casual clothing and not uniforms meant she was given 'cute' outfits).

In the same token - Bonnie Wright got criticized for not growing up as cute as everyone thought she should have been to play Ginny.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-30 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
When I read things like these, I am glad I was never into Harry Potter. What an imbecile fandom.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-28 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
hell yes

hermione's appearance in the books was always described as plain, but when you cast kids for movies you can never tell what's going to happen by the time they've basically doubled in age over a ten year franchise

so there was a lot of wailing that emma watson "grew up too hot" for the plain hermione, bonnie wright "didn't grow up hot enough" for the fiery ginny and matthew lewis... was generally accepted as neville

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
That last bit has me dying, lmao

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(Anonymous) 2022-04-28 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Especially because it's extremely common for kids who were absolutely average-looking in childhood to grow up to be very attractive. I remember going to one of my highschool reunions and being absolutely shocked that a bunch of the guys I wouldn't have looked twice at during school turned out to be drop-dead handsome.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
While I wasn't one of those "HDU?!!!" people, I was certainly disappointed at the direction the movies took with the "taming" and "sleeking down" of Hermione's look. Did I think she was too pretty? Was I and about it a bit? At the time as a goofy looking 11-13 year old, sure -- but looking back, I mean it was also the glow up many of us look forward to -- except no one's trying to wait as long as Neville did (but we'll wait lol).

Additionally, and this was big (since I already saw a lot of myself in Hermione re: smarts and buck teeth) her hair was a big deal to me,and the fact that she conformed/"tamed" it...as kid who's black/mixed, surrounded by and growing up constantly getting your hair straightened -- it felt nice to see someone with "bushy"/"unruly" hair (at least in the book). So her getting her straightened was kinda like "well damn." Funny enough, it was a but around that time, maybe after the movie where she had the glow up (which I was also vicariously living -- like one day I'll be pretty tooooo lol) I stopped straightening my hair and went natural. Anyway. That's my gripe. But you can't hold it against someone they way they naturally look! Come on!

I'll add that it's messed up for people to be mad at Bonnie for not growing up to be pretty enough. Wtf do you want?

My own surprise "wow, cute now!" Is the guy who played Dean aka Wes in How to Get Away with murder and I shouldn't be (hypocritical), but the casting choice for Fleur I expected to be more ethereal, and Lupin was a disappointment lmao. Sirius in my head is always hotter and more debonair. Aaaand Bill Weasley...I love Domnhall Gleeson and wish he'd let his hair grow again! The twins were just cool.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2022-04-29 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
The one issue I had was that they straightened her hair rather than keeping it really curly as Hermione's remains throughout the book series. Emma could have been her beautiful self, but with her hair really curly on screen as Hermione it still would have looked like the character.

Domnhall Gleeson is gorgeous. I'm not usually into redheads, but he's a major exception. I love him in everything he's ever been in.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
It's not Emma Watson's personal moral failing that she's pretty, any more than it's her personal moral failing that she's bad at acting, but both of those things did unfortunately make her performance as Hermione worse.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
How is she bad at acting? Especially starting in Prisoner of Azkaban, she’s pretty good, decent at worst.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
At the time I was super upset that they cast such a cute little girl. As an odd looking girl I really wanted another odd looking little girl on the screen. But even as a temperamental 13 year old I never blamed Watson, she did the best she could with what she had.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. She didn't fit my idea of what Hermione should look like. But that's not the actress's fault.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
I wish I hung out where ever these criticisms happened because all I read or heard was how some fans (grown-ass men) couldn't wait for EW to turn 18. I mean, they were salivating over her because she was so pretty; it was everywhere. And don't get me started on all the terrible, and I mean terrible in every way imaginable, Emma Watson photoshop porn that showed up online after Half-Blood Prince came out.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Uggggggggggh

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 09:01 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, hated that, ugh.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
They did the same for the Olsen twins, only with extra ew because twins.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
Where's the hair, where's the teeth? The hair at least should have stayed as it was mentioned in the books a few times.
I do love British TV because they don't exclusively show Holywood pretty cookie cutter women.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
That's definitely refreshing.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
I felt bad for Bonnie Wright. She's not beautiful in the same way Emma Watson is, but she is actually quite pretty in just a normal way.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
Same! She was cute and I thought she looked like a fresh face younger sister as she should being a year younger then the others.

I just felt awful when I read in a magazine how a producer or director talked smack on her 'failing' to grow up hotter. That she had been selected for the potential of her hot looks (which I think was based on how her mom looked? Which is just ew to me) she would get after she hit puberty.

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(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, book Hermione is absolutely not attractive and her looks are part of why Harry and Ron don’t like her in Philosopher’s Stone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All of the failings of the films is on the filmmakers, to include casting her.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 07:37 am (UTC)(link)
She grows into her looks later, but she wasn’t “unattractive”. She just had some normal childhood flaws like bushy unmanageable hair. And that’s still a really shitty reason for Harry and Ron not to like her, more than her know-it-all attitude, and doesn’t say anything good about either of them in that book. At least they come around and stop being jerks about her looks.

You say it’s a failing of the filmmakers for casting her. What are the filmmakers actually at fault for? What was their failing in this regard? Why shouldn’t they have casted her? Just because she didn’t look 1 for 1 to the book’s description doesn’t mean she was unfit for the role. Especially because she pulled it off well in the actual acting department, appearance be damned. And they still did make her hair close enough to the books, even if it was clearly not Emma’s normal hairstyle. But she was cast when she was a child, how was anyone supposed to know she’d grow up to be as attractive as she is, the filmmakers included? This is such a weird take.

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(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
ia, if she were conventionally pretty the class would never bully her. I think Luna's casting is great in this regard.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-29 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Look, Hermione's "glow up" was always the equivalent of the Princess Diaries "Glow Up" -- the person was always pretty, but the styling became different. Most people look awkward during their preteen years.

I do think it's very fair to be angry at the movie for never letting her have curly hair past the third movie because of how harmful the "straight hair is automatically prettier than curly hair" mentality is. It would have seemed way more natural if she had curly hair during classes/on the run, and a variety of hair styles (yes even straightened) during the Yule Ball/Hogsmead trips/other social things.

Mostly, I was annoyed at how the director glammed her up the second it wouldn't look like he was glamming up a kid. Perfect encapsulation for how teen girls are expected to look like grown women. Also, what's the impact of the Yule Ball when you already changed the way you did her hair and make up? It was just like "okay, so she just put her hair in a bun and is wearing a pretty dress instead of a uniform" which made everyone's "OMG!" reactions seem asinine.