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Okay, so preface: this is very trivial, and I'm not actually mad about it so much as I'm just baffled and maybe very, very minorly annoyed.

I went to Coco Fresh Juice & Tea earlier, which is a bubble tea chain, and I ordered a brown sugar pearl latte. I didn't try it until I got home, and then discovered the drink I'd been given was just milk. So I took it back, because it was an expensive drink and Coco is only like eight minutes walk from my house. But when I got there and clarified that I'd ordered a latte and I'd gotten milk, the girl on till was like, "Yeah. That is a latte. That's what you ordered."

I'm fairly good at (politely) asserting myself as a customer, so I gently pushed to have the drink replaced and they did it. But I just...?????

By definition a latte is steamed milk with espresso. If there is no espresso and you call it a latte, you are going to confuse so many people!

I am by no means a bubble tea expert (I'm not a novice but definitely not an expert either), and under most circumstances I would cede that maybe I was just ignorant of the finer points of Taiwanese beverages. But the latte (or cafe latte if you wanna be traditional) is a beverage of Italian origin, and it has a definition, and if you are calling it a latte when it's just milk and no espresso then that is...not a latte.

I am just so bemused by this.

If you order a latte in Italy you'll get milk.

I think AYRT was annoyed that their drink didn’t have espresso in it, not that it had milk.

I think AYRT was pointing out (not necessarily helpfully) that in Italian “latte” means milk. So if you order one, you will receive just milk.

(A “cafe latte” will get you coffee with milk.)

Ah, got it.

Did you read the comment you replied to? Or did you just glance at it and decide you knew better?

I mean, sure, and if I’d ordered “Un latte” in Italy that would be relevant.

Or, if the drink I’d ordered had been called “milk” in written Mandarin, Taiwanese Hokkien, or Hakka, then--well, I wouldn’t have known what it said, but I would’ve asked and found out it meant “milk,” which would’ve been an accurate name for what the beverage was.

But since I ordered “A Brown Sugar Pearl Latte” in west coast Canada, where the dictionary definition of a Latte is “A coffee beverage of Italian origin made with espresso and steamed milk,” the thing I got was, by definition, not a latte.

Which, to reiterate, is not a big deal. It's just very baffling. Like, if you walked into Starbucks and ordered a Cinnamon Dolce Latte and they gave you steamed milk, and so you brought it back like, "I ordered a latte," and they were like, "Yeah, that's a latte, that's what you ordered," I assume you'd find that odd. And if you wouldn't find it odd, well, you have a high bar because having worked in a coffee shop before, I can tell you that most people would find it perplexing.

Well, if "the West" gets to decide that a drink of Italian origin can have a totally new definition separate from what its name means in Italy, I don't see why Eastern companies can't do the same. At Starbucks a latte might mean a coffee drink, but if I'm not at Starbucks (or another coffee shop), I would not assume that's what it means. Tea-based lattes and macchiatos are a thing in boba shops.

Eta that I just remembered even one of Starbucks' signature items, the matcha latte, contains no espresso or indeed any coffee unless requested. A tea-based latte sold by the originator of western-style coffee latte, go figure.

Ok but if you think they should do that then you should start a petition at all your cafes to change the name of the drink, not be a barista in Canada and decide to be cute and show off your knowledge of Italian when some poor customer orders a latte.

Nayrt

When you are in a coffeeshop or cafe, the "Latte" option is usually listed on the menu under "coffee drinks" or something similar so it is obviously the milky option of a coffee. If you are in a milk tea/Boba shop and there is no coffee on the menu you can not expect there to be coffee in your drink and it doesn't matter at all that a CAFE has a coffee latte. That's a misunderstanding that nobody is to blame for but your own assumptions.

Huh, now that I think about it, I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a boba drink labelled as a latte that had espresso in it (or any kind of coffee).

Yeah, after today I'm going to assume that "latte" in bubble tea speak means "milk." Though the next time I go to a different bubble tea establishment I will ask them whether their lattes have espresso in them, just to verify!

What're a couple of your favorite flavors?

I don't tend to opt for coffee flavored bubble tea, I guess because I feel like if I want fancy coffee I'll go to Starbucks. But I really like Coco's Brown Sugar Pearl Milk Tea, so I thought I'd mix it up and try the latte version.

The T&T I go to has pre-made coffee flavored bubble tea, and I sometimes get that, but that's about it on the coffee front.

Matcha milk tea’s my go-to drink, but one of the local places here does a great dirty chai that I really like.

I am not from US and not from Italy, but our coffeeshops call "latte" most of steamed milk drinks. We have coffee latte (coffee with milk), tea latte (tea with milk and usually spices), bubble tea latte (milk and pearls) and so on. I think it's probably a good idea to ask with elaborate drinks like bubble tea if there is no description, they vary from place to place. At least for my country

I'm not going to start asking cafe baristas if their establishments' lattes are actually lattes--at least not unless I go abroad. However, I will definitely make a point of enquiring with any bubble tea places I go to in the future, before ordering anything being called a latte.

I would not, in a place that specialises in tea, expect a drink to have coffee in it as a matter of course.

Yeah this. Like, this is not a coffee shop, why would you, in a store that specialises in MILK TEA expect anything to be coffee unless explicitely stated.

Thirded. It's bubble TEA. To be fair, they don't even have tea in it often enough, but it never was coffee drink to start with

This has low-key soap-dish vibes.

I am bemused by anyone expecting coffee in their bubble tea. This is very much like going to a meat pie shop, ordering a pie, and then bringing it back because it didn’t have sugar or fruit in it.

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