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I am so tired of people being against capitalism only when they're thinking of all the ways it makes their life hell, but being really gung-ho about using it as a stick to beat other people with. Exactly like this.

On the one hand, fandom unhappy with lack of food, shelter, medical care, and other things people die without. Fair. On the other hand, joblessness as the "deserved consequence" for doing something stigmatized? Please.

So I'm right there with you, OP.

OP - oh, don't get me wrong, I am with you here. It's not that I am against fair complaints. It's just that I am against the terrible treatment that idols and celebs as a whole get. And savage capitalism IS to blame for that.

I think I was feeling too salty earlier to express myself clearly. I meant to comment with clear agreement for what you said.

If he did cheat, that’s not good. I don’t think saying cheating is bad is controversial. But why on earth is that something that you should lose your job over? Why would anyone want someone to? It’s a matter of your personal life, not the business of your employers or uninvolved random people. It’s up to his wife how she wants to proceed, and if she doesn’t want to divorce him, then that’s that. I don’t know why it should matter to anyone else. Especially not to the level of calling for him to lose his job.

100% agreed.

It's stupid, yes, but it's a form of stupidity that seems closely linked to the concept of "idols" as a distinct category

Yeah, I think it's something that should be handled between the people involved. If the wife is willing to forgive (or may even not be bothered, we don't know the exact details), then I don't see how it's anyone else's place to judge.

Co-signed. Well said.

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Yeah, what people mess up in their personal life should have no effect on their career (unless what they do is either actually criminal in nature or directly would negatively affect their profession, like a surgeon having a major drug issue or something.)

I could see cheating affecting someone's career if it was something like having an affair with another company employee, especially if it was something like supervisor/subordinate, because then that raises all sorts of questions about power dynamics and whether the person in the lower position felt pressured into it/was trying to use it as a way to get ahead in the company, things like that. But other than that? I don't think it's anyone's business except the two people in the relationship.

Yes. People need to stfu about complete strangers' personal lives.

Cheating is 100% something I'll judge someone for in my own time, but when it comes to celebs I really don't care tbh, it's a personal issue and one that should be dealt with between them and their loved ones. We can think they're dicks but that's as far as it should go.

+1000 on the 'this shit only get released to cause trouble' part though, these celebs management absolutely know all the dirt on them and it only comes out when someone wants to 'put them in their place' doubly so in K-net, it's nasty.

These are my feelings on it. I personally think it's a shitty thing to do, but if both sides would rather work it out between themselves than call it quits, that's entirely their business. I don't think it should affect anything outside of their personal life because like you said, it's a personal issue.

Isn't this the little bitch who was in the affair for a DECADE and when his affair partner found out, she was immediately hospitalised, then felt she had to quit her writing career forever?

Nice selective description OP.

OP - No idea, didn't check any of this in depth. All I know is some paparazzi decided to spread gossip for whatever reason and now we have an unemployed man, an unhappy wife and a hospitalized writer (supposedly - didn't know she was a writer but if she was anonymous there's a lot that could be a lie, like the reasons for being hospitalized: was she mad over being a mistress, did she fake anything, was she mad at the media repercussion or did she have an appendicitis? Who knows?). Dumb marital drama I could care less about. Call me when someone gets convicted or anything of the sort.

She found out from an interview. She was a news writer, IIRC, and found out FROM HIM DOING AN INTERVIEW ELSEWHERE. She fell ill because she found out she was the Other Woman for ten years through a fucking interview.

AYRT (the other very angry person is not me). They worked together. He was in a position of power, concealed his wife from his entire agency, and chose to ruin the other woman's life as collateral damage. "Hospitalised" comes off as Japanese euphemism for "tried to kill herself." Fuck him, and the seiyuu who've recently sparked drama have been some real pieces of shit who've gone above and beyond to spark disgust. Pick your battles. This guy is awful.

Fuck him, and the seiyuu who've recently sparked drama have been some real pieces of shit who've gone above and beyond to spark disgust.

Which Seiyuu’s are you speaking of, if you don’t mind me asking? I don’t keep up with any of the lives of seiyuu beyond the roles they play.

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OP - Yeah? Sakurai is a popular seiyuu who appears in TV shows and his fans knew he was very likely married. Still seems weird to me that this person would have had an innocent affair for ten years and never suspected any of that. And we haven't even seen this interview. All of this seems v. fishy (not to mention the Su/Alhaitham rumours) but even it's completely true it's still a personal issue I don't care about. Idols' lives are none of my business unless he did anything bad enough that could make someone sue him or get him convicted for instance.

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Speaking as a relative outsider, I still don't see how any of that has anything to do with us who don't know any of them personally.

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I do not know anything about this particular scandal, nor a lot about idol culture. But I feel like blaming capitalism here doesn't quite take into account the power of public discourse/boycotting (i.e. 'cancel culture', not that I agree with the politics of those who use that term). If a celebrity does something that is frowned upon by the general public, the general public may not spend money on that celebrity's works in the future. Hence their employer disciplining them/ firing them, or their ability to get future employment being affected.

Yes, this form of 'punishment' can only occur in this way in a capitalistic system - in another economic system, presumably a public figure may only experience loss of face/status and/or ostracism. Depending on what system this occurred in, this would have different effects: an ideal communist society, they would still be supported to live but would still suffer mental/emotional ramifucations; in a traditional society, social ostracism from the rest of the clan could result in death through exclusion from meals/shelter.

Yes, if the public is being manipulated by the entertainment industry itself to judge some figures and not others, that is not good. But manipulation of public perception is not inherent to capitalism.

Basically I'm trying to say that this isn't a 'capitalism bad' issue, it's more a 'the public is susceptible to manipulation' issue. Which, in this case, is up for debate - even if there are other idols that may be 'behaving badly', if the behaviour of one becomes known, that doesn't mean it's unreasonable for them to face the court of public opinion.

OP - couldn't have put it better myself in regards to, it's the public's fault not necessarily capitalism's even. But the public is just so dumb if they can't see the capitalistic reasons behind such gossip really.

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