[ SECRET POST #5814 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5814 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 25 secrets from Secret Submission Post #832.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[fscom]

04. https://i.imgur.com/SYAo9Rg.png

[(Anonymous)]

Kaeluc fan huh

[(Anonymous)]

Saw a post about that ship on Tumblr that weirded me the heck out. Something to the effect of

anon: hey you ship kaeluc but isn't that basically incest since they're found family?
op: ah shit i didn't realize that
commenter: don't worry! according to the wiki something something not like literal siblings something
op: oh good it's fine then, phew
another commenter: reminder of the fact that it's not incestuous and specifically because of this i'm disgusted by all the hate and harassment people are sending kaeluc shippers

Like buddy, you should be disgusted by harassment regardless of whether a given ship is or isn't "technically incest"!

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - Lol oh that's how it usually goes. Not problematic (because the game LOVES it and it's obviously intended as a ship) until someone else points out, and then it's Problematic. The joke here is that shipping KaeLuc is about as problematic as shipping HaruMichi because they are cousins (spoilers: they are not).

Frankly I don't do incest ships myself so I was about to skip the secret when I saw the word, but then I remembered it could be (likely is) about them and did a double take. Not liking incest ships should be okay! Liking them too, I mean, I may choose not to interact with someone who ships incest because I don't feel comfortable with that kind of content in my timeline but whatever. Cyberbullying/ganging up on people over a imagined relationship? No, that's not okay. Just don't follow if you don't like it. It's okay, I hate some "unproblematic" ships too. Thought police? Pretty fucking dumb.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I'm violently rolling my eyes at this person's DNI bullshit. With that said, this person isn't mad that shippers are mistaking their art for shippy art; they're mad that shippers are enjoying their art in a shippy way.

It's dumb that they're letting it bother them, and it's weird and egotistical that they're trying to control other people in this way when they have no authority to do so. But their assumption that a lot of A/B shippers who enjoy their A&B art are enjoying it in a shippy way is almost certainly correct. Doesn't make their response any less BS though.

[(Anonymous)]

But, like, what IS a shippy way?

When I like art I don't go "ohh yes they'll be fucking in 3 seconds .." I just go "oh. Pretty art. Nice feeling" and hit reblog.

As someone who enjoys both platonic and romantic Kaeluc works, this is how it works for me at least. Honestly I am no incest apologist, and if someone is all "I know what you are..." and asks me to not interact I will ignore that and keep doing my thing.

[feotakahari]

Endorsed. I like Frozen fanart where Anna and Elsa are hugging, and I also like art where they’re kissing. When I see art of them hugging, I don’t automatically think of them kissing.

[(Anonymous)]

When I like art I don't go "ohh yes they'll be fucking in 3 seconds .." I just go "oh. Pretty art. Nice feeling" and hit reblog.

AYRT - I mean, I wouldn't say my exact thought is, "they'll be fucking in 3 seconds," but I definitely have a sort of "nngghh yes I love them togetherrr" reaction to fanart of characters I ship, and it is a distinctly shippy reaction. It's a distinction I have a lot of personal experience with, because as a Starker shipper, a lot of my favorite art was created as Irondad art, and when I look at it I'm often aware that the artist meant it as Irondad art, while simultaneously I'm like, "Yeah, this art does not give me platonic feelings AT ALL." Or there will be other times, usually when the art makes Peter look really young, where I'll look at it and think, "Huh, I like this but I don't feel shippy about it."

I respect that not everyone views fanart of their ship through an actively shippy lense. But also, plenty of people do.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

This. And I have to admit that "I see them one way and you interpret them another way, so don't come near anything I make!" seems really presumptuous and unreasonable to me. Particularly when I run into people like that who are also huffy about not having more followers or getting whatever they would consider to be "enough" recognition. But all of it makes me appreciate the fanartists who make unapologetic free porn so much, because they emphatically aren't obsessed with trying to control what people are thinking when they engage. You fapped to my work? Fantastic. You're more into the nice sunset and think their outfits are cute? Cool. That's the acceptance I like to be around. Many of those artists also make landscapes and character studies and everything else, so ... I found most of my faves through their explicit drawings. And haven't had to endure the "no impure thoughts!!" contingent, since.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking Thought Police out here. (Your friend, not you, OP.)

[(Anonymous)]

The idea that they think they can have any control over how other people interpret their work is hilarious.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

This. Even published authors and artists don't get to tell people they're only allowed to interact with canon if they leave their icky sex drive out of it. And some have gone to extremes and tried to get courts to enforce that, like when George Lucas was all How Dare about people writing Han Solo/Luke Skywalker fanfics. I can't think of a single situation right now where a person going out and trying to force conformity to their take on canon doesn't make a real ass of themselves in the process.

[(Anonymous)]

But they were interrogating the text from the wrong perspective! They had to be informed of their error! :P

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Also, I've definitely encountered fic or art that I never would've viewed as non-platonic without the creator's disclaimer that it was "100% platonic! All you gross shippers stop reading things into it that categorically aren't there," which made me consume the fic or art with that perspective in mind and conclude, "Oh, yeah, it is kind of shippy, isn't it?" Totally counterproductive on the creator's part.

[(Anonymous)]

They can say it all they want, people are still going to do whatever they want with it. These fucking thought police would make me laugh if they didn't frustrate the shit out me in fandom so goddamn much!!!

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Personally, I use my antipathy towards them as motivation to defend NSFW art and fic all the more. Because their definition of "acceptable things" is an ever-shrinking, restrictive, miserable little cage that I want nothing to do with!

[(Anonymous)]

"Please look at my art with the right intention" LMAO

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for saying it!

[scissorsevered]

Whenever I see someone with a DNI I just assume they're insufferable as hell and I leave them alone.

Also I'm betting this person is like 14-16. If their older, than its even more humiliating

[(Anonymous)]

I have some fandom friends and mutuals who are all "Don't You DARE Tag This With Your Ships" and I'm like Lighten Up Francis. I get it, you don't ship it, but any time you talk about how much to characters love and support each other someone, somewhere, is going to love it *because* they ship it. Deep breaths kids.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone somewhere is going to ship it because someone somewhere is shipping stores and brands. It's just how it goes on the internet. For anything that exists, there will be porn and slashfic.

[(Anonymous)]

It’s like they saw people tagging pet posts with “please don’t kin my pets in your tags” and it made that faulty ‘is this fiction or real life?’ fuse in their brains start sparking again.

That said, if you’re on a platform where the OP can see your tags/reblogs, keep that in mind if you’re gonna get freaky with their stuff. Not saying you can’t, just be aware. Like, there is a difference between having a sex fantasy about your hot neighbor who likes to mow his lawn shirtless and putting a sign in your window facing his yard saying that’s what you’ll be doing.

[(Anonymous)]

The difference here is that you aren't telling the artist "hey I am having a fantasy about you", you're saying "I am having a fantasy about your art" and people seem to be missing the point of art entirely. You know, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and all that. Art is meant to be interpreted in different ways by different people. If someone goes "don't see my art like this!! Don't enjoy it!!" ... like dude. You're a kid, and a really stupid one at that.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm fully YKINMKATIOK in my stance, but I think politely asking people not to tag your art as ship is completely reasonable, and if people go ahead and tag as ship anyway, IMO that's rude.

Because the thing is, if you tag someone's platonic fanart as ship, people who see your reblog are seeing a misrepresented version of the artist's work. And there is nothing wrong with someone being personally uncomfortable with a fictional pairing and not wanting people to mistakenly believe they ship that pairing. That doesn't make them an anti. I say this as someone who reblogs a lot of platonic art for my ship. I say this as someone who has to close out of my reblog window a solid thirty percent of the time just to check whether the thing I'm reblogging is tagged as ship or tagged as platonic, because I'm not going to tag someone's content as ship if it's not, because I respect their content and I don't want to make them uncomfortable. I also say this as someone who blatantly and unapologetically reblogs from people with DNIs on their blogs. Because DNIs are not about someone saying "Please don't misrepresent my work and me by extension," they're about someone saying, "I think you are gross, and therefore you must avoid MY part of this extremely public space, because I say so."

I do however agree that tone matters with this kind of thing, because ultimately one isn't making a demand, one is making a request. One is asking people to please be considerate of their feelings and not tag their art in a way that misrepresents the intended spirit of the art and thereby misrepresents the personal viewpoint of the artist. If someone's attitude is "Don't you DARE tag this with your ship" that's really begging for a "fuck you, I do what I want" response.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's just the boomer in me but I don't even read DNIs. Generally if the person has a DNI I already assume they a) are in their early 20s at most and b) don't like me (for stuff like "proshipping" etc) but I reblog their pretty art anyways.

But if I tag something as a ship in MY blog because I like the ship and so do MY followers, what do they have to do with it? "I didn't intend it to be seen like that!!" fine, then just put a disclaimer in your profile like "anti-ship, platonic only!!" if you want to repel off the shippers from following you and be done with it. Once your art is out there it's like a nude picture, there's no undo button and no control over how it's going to be used, sorry. Except there are some laws protecting you in the case of the nude picture really.