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[ SECRET POST #5827 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5827 ⌋

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I agree. I dislike mpreg because I'm repulsed by pregnancy and birth altogether. Since you're likely to poop on the table while giving birth, you're getting plenty of "butt stuff" the natural way too.

Yes, this and the gender dysphoria of it since usually it's a cis male usually who is all of a sudden "oooh our precious bundle of joy" and the idea of being pregnant is so repugnant to me I can't imagine never having thought of that happening to my body yet suddenly being forced into it without pooping the zygote out before it undergoes mitosis more than once.

The image used for this secret has me in stitches. Amazing.

I agree. Exceptionally good secret design, secret maker, thank you! You managed to fit my entire not-very-short secret on there and still make it look both nice and funny. You're the bomb.

Yeah, pregnancy is just gross all around - though giving birth in water helps a lot.

It's not that that bothers me about m-preg stories. It's the tendency of some of writers to completely rewrite a character's personality around their new, fecund role in life. (And there's a weird tendency to bash female characters at the same time? I don't know why. It's certainly not every m-preg writer who does it. But it's enough to thoroughly turn me off the genre.)

It's the tendency of some of writers to completely rewrite a character's personality around their new, fecund role in life.

I 100% feel you on this. I actually posted a secret once, years ago, that was basically about how much I hate the whole, "[Character] had never felt a love this profound before; nothing had ever felt this meaningful; it was like the center of their world had shifted and become this one small, perfect being," schtick that shows up constantly in narratives that involve giving birth. Like, I get that many people do feel this way IRL and I respect that. But it's not something I can personally relate to and it isn't something I want to relate to either. Something about it just gives me the ick (in fiction ofc; IRL if someone feels that way, good for them).

Plus it definitely is fairly common for the character who bears the children to be written as, like, soft and sensitive and feely and nurturing and living for their family in a way that I really, really don't enjoy.

Basically, yeah, I have very ambivalent feelings about mpreg, and I totally relate to and share many people's reasons for not liking it. It's really just the whole "Out the BUTT??!" reaction that makes me roll my eyes.

>"[Character] had never felt a love this profound before; nothing had ever felt this meaningful; it was like the center of their world had shifted and become this one small, perfect being,"

I have seen some Lucifer fics like that (prior the mess of Season 6) and made me groan pretty hard. Yes, Lucifer never felt love until he meets Chloe, but he didn't feel anything for Charlie as a baby (more than "oh he's so cute... not take him back"), he wouldn't stare at his kid and say "they're so perfect like mommy!" (but that's another story due Lucifer's trauma with Dad's treatment on him).

Pregnancy in general skeeves me out, so it's just not something I wanna encounter in fiction.

See, I just can't get past the "but where is the baby supposed to GROW?" part. It's not like there's any room in there for something like that...

Sure there is! The uterus is a tightly folded up muscle, not an empty sac with space in it. Attach a uterus to the bowel instead. (You do need a uterus though, otherwise you have ectopic pregnancies which are not always in the fallopian tubes and can burst other organs, which is why they're close to 100% fatal if not stopped in time).

Anyway, cloaca.

I meant "room" as in room in the existing organs that are in there. If you have to magically add another organ to make it possible then that just hits the "too weird for me" reading on the scale. I can't suspend my disbelief THAT much.

I mean, women have exactly the same organs as men, and they don't have problems making room, they just get indigestion. But fair enough that "another organ" is a pass for you.

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Yup, this! I mean, I Am Not A Doctor, and I'm not saying that this explanation is totally, scientifically rock solid (very little in fiction is rock solid honestly). But the general presumption I make when reading mpreg (unless it's otherwise specified) is that there is a spot along the wall of the anus that essentially functions somewhat like a cervix; it's a passage that leads to a uterus, and that remains shut until the dude is in labor. (Also, if one is into breeding kink, one can write that said spot also opens during the dude's heat for maximum feralization potential.)

I prefer this sort of cloaca-lite explanation over just straight up giving the dude a cloaca, for one because as someone who tends to be a smidge squicked by furry/animal stuff, the idea of, like, "He plowed into his mate's hot, tight cloaca," is a tiny bit too animal for my preference (though I wouldn't call it a hard pass by any means), and also I just don't love the idea of the pee hole and the poop hole being the same (which I realize is borderline hypocritical since I'm the one arguing that it doesn't matter if the poop hole and the baby hole are the same, but it's just how I personally feel, not necessarily a stance based in iron clad rationality).

Plus, with a cloaca, I have all these questions suddenly, like, is the partner's dick fucking through the cloaca into the anus? Or is the main body of the cloaca basically functioning, deeper in, as a vagina and getting the majority of the fucking? Is it difficult for the penetrating partner not to hit the opening to the anus or the urethra by accident? Like how good does his(/her) aim have to be? And like, I don't hate these questions. You could actually do some hot, weird, kinky shit with this idea and I'd probably be here for it. But for me personally, "passage deep in the anus that leads to the uterus," is just simpler, and I am already very primed to view the anus as a sexytimes zone, whereas for me if the word "cloaca" showed up in a fic it would take some coaxing to get me past the, "Wait, like birds and reptiles have??" response and back into the sexytimes headspace.

But that's just me and I'm not actually arguing with you at all. I wholly support your comment, and I also support the validity of using "cloaca" as an explanation for how this shit works in mpreg-supporting universes.

I also don't know much about cloacas beyond what a few diagrams have taught me, so there's that. lol.

"Cloaca-lite" is a good description! There's honestly a whole lot of other endocrine issues etc. that would have to be dealt with for pregnancy, but people don't tend to get stuck on those.

In marsupials (and a few other animals) other than monotremes, there's one external opening and then inside there's separate passages to the vagina, anus and urethra. So you would fuck the pouch area, not specifically into one passage - and some marsupials have two or four-headed penises.

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i don't like butt stuff

The idea of ME being pregnant is horrifying. But I am also a cis ace woman, so mpreg is so far removed from me that I have no problem with it. It's the way some authors make a formerly awesome character go baby crazy that I can't stand.

As a 35-year-old cis, ace woman with no kids, I totally feel you.

My feelings on mpreg are weird and complicated, but I second your entire comment.

Same! Sure giving birth should change some character traits l, but not on THAT scale

Man, THIS. It's offputting when it's a cis woman going 'crazy' with baby whatever, but when you shift it onto, say, a hardened assassin or something? Hell to the no.

In general, I find any and all baby and pregnancy and kid-stuff in fic to be insufferable, annoying, or offputting. I can only think of one or two examples where I don't mind it, but that's it.

Honestly, I agree. It's so fictional I can't connect it to the real thing. It's like vampires getting people pregnant or werewolves on the moon. It works however the story says it works because they aren't real.

(I don't, like, *like* it, but it seems a silly thing to harp on.)

It works however the story says it works

Exactly. And like, if the premise was that dudes give birth out of their urethras, then I could better understand why people just found it too ridiculous and also squicky to roll with. The idea of pushing a baby out of one's dick is definitely...a stretch. (ba-dum-tish) But a butt baby is only slightly wilder than what literally actually happens IRL.

...did you know female hyenas give birth of out their pseudo-penis/clitoris? Just saying, nature is pretty fucking weird.

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I feel like I just listened to a Ted Talk.

Oh I totally agree with this 100%, and I'm a cis woman who finds the idea of pregnancy and giving birth absolutely horrifying for me personally, I always knew I would never want to do it even at gunpoint. In a way, mpreg helps me tolerate the idealized romantic ideal of pregnancy, because the fantasy of it happening to someone with a completely different body gives me a space of distance. I like cis mpreg that's imaginative and also kind of ... sweet? The baby is delivered, the recovery isn't too awful, and all is well.

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