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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-01-01 03:39 pm
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[ SECRET POST #5840 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5840 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Whose Line is it, Anyway?]


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[Pic is from Fullmetal Alchemist]


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(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
I remember leaving a fairly benign comment about not really liking it once and getting an essay response about why it was good actually lol.

It must suck to see people not like the thing you like but secret maker isn’t wrong in feeling like fans of this pretty popular drama are overly defensive about it.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Just tired, buddy. Just very very tired.

It's like someone pointing at a cartoon from the 80s and explaining that the animation is shit. And you say, 'Yes I know the animation is shit, but there's still a lot of things I like about it.'

And they shake you by the shoulders and say, 'But you don't understand how bad the animation is! It's really shit!'

And you say, 'Find something you like then. Go to your happy place.'

And they scream at you, 'BUT THE ANIMATION IS VERY BAD REALLY'

And you get very tired.

Someone explaining why they like a thing is not actually out to get you, okay?

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt - Did you actually read the comment you responded to? ayrt said they didn't care for it and got an essay in response about why the drama was in fact good. That's not the same thing at all.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
Someone's not allowed to talk about a thing in a discussion forum?

Huh.

Weird.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 06:14 am (UTC)(link)
Perhaps it's the late hour, but I don't comprehend at all how you got that from my comment.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 07:27 am (UTC)(link)
If you're talking about the comment that ended: "ayrt said they didn't care for it and got an essay in response about why the drama was in fact good. That's not the same thing at all."

Well - this is a discussion forum. It is not unreasonable for people to talk about why they like a thing on a discussion forum.


If you're talking about the comment that ended with: "... isn’t wrong in feeling like fans of this pretty popular drama are overly defensive about it."

Well I don't feel that fans of this drama are overly defensive. They've honestly been pretty chill for a while now about the things that other people dislike about it. Because yes, the FL has a grating voice, and that's a reasonable thing to dislike.

And yes, she starts the story very silly. She's a flower fairy - she's supposed to be silly. No fan of the drama disagrees with that. The narrative of the drama doesn't exactly valorise it either - it throws in plenty of contrasts on how a woman can be successful and loved, and the heroine grows as a person by the end, the story is not trying to tell anyone you have to be silly to be happy.

It feels like people keep harping on about these obvious things - and it's likely a different person every time, but that does add up - as if it's some kind of Gotcha. And that does make a person tired.

It feels like people are personally offended that I find worth in something they disliked, and are twisting my words while they're at it.

Which I suppose means I *am* getting defensive. I think mostly I'm just tired.

I'm sorry I didn't express myself well. Thank you for asking me to clarify.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
And someone saying “eh, this isn’t for me” isn’t a personal attack and yet here is a another ott response. You ok buddy? People not liking your tv show has got you super tilted.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 08:24 am (UTC)(link)
Considering you are doing the exact opposite of what you describe all over this thread yourself it's no wonder you have such a skewed perspective.

What really happens is:
Someone says: "Nah, can't watch this because of the squeaky voiced annoying female lead"
And then stans of the show jump on them and shake them by the shoulders and yell:" NO but you don't understand, it's really good, actually!!!"
And the other person goes: "That's nice but the female lead annoys me too much so that spoils it for me and I cant watch it."
And the stand go: "But it's really great, you shouldn't let the thing that annoys you stop you from watching it!!"
"Nah, I'm good, you go enjoy your show and I'll find something else."
"WHY ARE YOU HATING ON MY FAVOURITE SHOW YOU'RE SO MEAN!"

You keep seeing the personal preference by others as a personal attack because you like it.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but they're not just expressing a personal preference.

They're offended people like something that they don't.

Saying, "I understand why you don't like it but I happen to enjoy it," isn't saying anything but, "I happen to enjoy it."

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
They're not though.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT, and this is my first time that I've commented on this, but: it really comes across the other way. It really comes across like someone is saying "I happen not to enjoy this" and the response is "Well that's fair but you're wrong because actually it's really good for all of these reasons".

Consistently, across several conversations now, it's come across as fans of the show taking it as an insult when people express mild dislike for it.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
+1000

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
That's been my experience, too, but it seems like some people are really resistant to hearing anything negative about this cdrama, no matter how mild. I didn't hate it or think it was garbage. It just wasn't my cup of tea, so I stopped watching. (And yeah, saying that was enough for people to bend my ear about how I was wrong to not like the female lead and here's why...)

People get enthusiastic about the things they like. I get it. But sometimes their perspective gets a little skewed as a result, and like the secret said, someone who doesn't love what you love can feel like a personal attack when it's really not.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
It's not that anyone who likes this c-drama can't listen to criticism.

It's that the criticism is painfully obvious, and they agree with it already. Sometimes people like flawed things - it's amazing really.

And somehow, "I like it but I know it's not everyone's cup of tea" is getting transformed by OP's secret into, "Nobody can dislike my thing, ever."

Weirdly, nobody likes being lied about.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 06:14 am (UTC)(link)
"It's not that anyone who likes this c-drama can't listen to criticism."

Fortunately, that's not what I said.

And somehow, "I like it but I know it's not everyone's cup of tea" is getting transformed by OP's secret into, "Nobody can dislike my thing, ever."

Not by me, it isn't. I'm not here to represent or take the place of other fans you might've encountered elsewhere, in other discussions, saying completely different things that I don't agree with.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-02 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
"Not by me, it isn't."

Well, fair enough.

I admit that I'm very tired of hearing people complain that a flower fairy is a bit silly. It's, you know, it's part of the genre. Complaining about it is like opening up a danmei and complaining that the boys are kissing.

I apologise for conflating you with others.
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