[ SECRET POST #5964 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5964 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

AYR

Most female characters are written to be female first and character maybe. I'm the anon that someone here loves to call a troll because I grew up in the middle of bumfuck nowhere in a religious town and only had TV as my link to the outside world, and related only to male characters because they were allowed to BE characters (and not just love interests destined to be wives and baby makers), and thus for a while thought I might be a dude.

I've found as time goes on that more and more female characters ARE being written as more character than female as to be enjoyable to watch, but a lot of writers who can pull off that apparently amazing feat don't seem to be able to hit the spot for me with making them interesting enough to read about/shippable. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[(Anonymous)]

How old are you and how did you miss The X-Files and Buffy?

[(Anonymous)]

Or Babylon 5?

[(Anonymous)]

Don't know how to break this to you buddy, but those shows happened quite some time ago and a new generation of teens/young adults are more likely to not see have seen those shows.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah and there's new generations of shows with female characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah and not everyone is in the hive mind watching everything at the same time. Chill.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah - again I'm trying not to be judgmental, but like you say, the way that female characters are written in general has changed so much in the last twenty years that it seems like you would have to have incredibly particular media consumption habits to avoid ever running into interesting ones. Which is still possible ofc.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

DA

[(Anonymous)]

I get what you're saying and sure there's a lot of characters like that, but there are a lot that are not and for OP to say they have never seen any good female characters? What kind of crap is OP watching?

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Reply to all 3 above -

I lived in the middle of bumfuck nowhere religiousville, so guess what kind of shows the stations there would play. We were also poor. No cable for me.

Also, I finally did see Buffy once I got to college; it bored the crap out of me.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Different DA - your experience of media then is hardly representative of a whole trend. It explains your personal feelings, sure, and that makes sense, but not, as you said, "most female characters"

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

+Billions

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

But they're not claiming to represent "trends." Since when does anyone's experience have to be normal or statistically average to belong on fandom!secrets?

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Not... not really:

https://thetvprofessor.com/the-history-of-working-women-as-seen-on-tv/
https://sites.gatech.edu/1102tvfem/2018/09/20/changes-in-womens-careers-portrayed-by-popular-television-throughout-time-john-ryu/
https://womenintvfilm.sdsu.edu/files/2014-15_Boxed_In_Report.pdf
https://scholarworks.uark.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1001&context=jouruht
https://www.indiewire.com/news/general-news/sorry-ladies-study-on-women-in-film-and-television-confirms-the-worst-65220/

[(Anonymous)]

I am so sick of this narrative.

[(Anonymous)]

Same

[(Anonymous)]

This hasn't been true since the 90's, much less now and people who keep trying to insist this is true need to watch different media because at this point it's a you thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope

Male characters were more likely than females to be identified only by a work-related role, such as doctor or business executive (61% of males vs. 34% of females). In contrast, female characters were more likely than males to be identified only by a personal life-related role such as wife or mother (58% of females vs. 31% of males). Male and female characters were equally likely to be identified in dual work-related and personal life-related roles (8% of females and males).

SOURCE: https://womenintvfilm.sdsu.edu/

[(Anonymous)]

Anon throwing stats around has nothing to do with how well a character is written, that is meaningless data that doesn't prove your point at all. What do these stats have to do with writing quality? Script quality? Story structure? Nothing. It's showcasing how female characters are more often put in nurturing roles in TV or movies(something that needs to change sure) but that doesn't mean anything positive or negative about female characters on the whole, and if you're trying to imply that it does then you are steering very close to some boggling misogynistic shite that I have no interest in unpacking with you.

[(Anonymous)]

+Infinity

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking thank you

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Nah, I don't think so. The fans who think the women onscreen these days are precious gold find ways to discount the arguments of fans who aren't moved by those same characters, no matter how detailed the arguments happen to be. A lot of it just devolves into a low-effort personal attack: "disagree with character-lovers, and they will accuse you of bigotry." It's as predictable as it is boring.

I used to lurk many conversations in fandom where people would talk at length about why they liked or didn't like characters, and what worked for them or put them off in general, without defaulting to "the only reason someone could POSSIBLY disagree with me is because they're a bad person!!" Usually, I came out with different perspectives about the character. Lately, I just come away with a bad taste in my mouth about the way people are treating each other.

And it's not that I like media being boiled down to simplistic measures like "did it pass the Bechdel test? Y/N." But when the reply is essentially "shut up, you're delusional and also, you suck" regardless of whether the person saying "this doesn't work for me, for reasons," provides personal reasons or academic studies, I can see why they would tend to borrow statistics and other people's words.

[(Anonymous)]

It's true that there are a great deal more well-written female characters than there were back in the 90s. But it's also true that there are still many, many female characters in popular media who are written to be love interests first and characters second.

Both things can be true at the same time.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I can relate. There's just ... very little overlap with what scriptwriters think is sweet or loving and what actually reaches me.

Fanfiction has been very helpful for me, there. There are a lot of female characters that are a complete miss, for me, in canon, that become delightful and relatable and even shippable, in the hands of some fan authors.

[(Anonymous)]

Do...do your characters need to be "sweet and loving"?