[ SECRET POST #5971 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5971 ⌋

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Comments

Dumb question

[(Anonymous)]

How do we know she wasn't black? Not trying to start something, honestly curious.

Re: Dumb question

[(Anonymous)]

Basically there are two big reasons.

I e, she was from a royal dynasty that was mostly Greek and didn't marry Egyptians. We know her father was of Greek descent, and we're not sure about her mother but she was probably Greek or Persian.

Two, Egyptians (mostly) weren't what we today would recognize as black. People we recognize today as black are largely descended from sub-Saharan Africans - Egyptians were and are predominantly North African. They're mostly distinct groups.

Re: Dumb question

[(Anonymous)]

Besides if you see their depiction or Nubians or any non-Egyptian people in art, you would see Egyptians themselves always drew themselves with a tan skin. Others were either too white or too dark.

Re: Dumb question

[(Anonymous)]

She was the last Hellenistic (Greek) ruler of the Ptolomaic Egypt, a dynasty which was in power in Egypt for over 200 years. She is known to be a descendant of Ptolomy Soter, a Macedonian (Greek/Balkans) general and bodyguard to Alexander the Great.

The thing about Egyptian Pharaohs is that they, well, liked to keep it in the family. Cleopatra's mother was probably also her aunt. Cleopatra's first husband was her brother.

Re: Dumb question

[(Anonymous)]

Also, the closest thing anyone has to a colour reference (a portrait with her distinctive hair and profile, but I think it isn't formally named?) is of a redhead. So.

Re: Dumb question

[(Anonymous)]

Cleopatra actually married *both* of her brothers.

Re: Dumb question

[(Anonymous)]

There is most likely some Nubian heritage on her mother's side, and Persian heritage on both sides, as well as mostly Macedonian. But the real issue with this debate is that everyone doesn't fit into neat little American racial categories. Are Macedonians white? Sometimes. Are they black? No. What about Persians? What about someone with one African ancestor? The answer is highly variable.

Re: Dumb question

[(Anonymous)]

That is not really the argument though! People who think that Cleopatra was black are not saying that, well, Macedonians and Persians don't count as exactly white, so therefore, Cleopatra was a person of color. And they're not saying that Cleopatra had one African ancestor. They're saying that Cleopatra was like, a Nubian or an Ethiopian.

The argument has nothing to do with modern American notions of race.

Re: Dumb question

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's quite likely that Cleopatra actually WAS POC from her mother's side (probably Persian), just not black. That's the issue at hand.