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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-06-10 06:26 pm

[ SECRET POST #6000 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6000 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-06-10 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
That's because a lot of the canon queer characters are shit, sorry.

Like ones who exist just to be a walking Very Special Episode, or are written by cishet people who have no idea what LGBT people are actually like and think "is gay" or "is trans" is a personality trait.

Or because they end up getting fucked over down the line by writers who either don't know what they're doing or don't care.

See: Star Trek Discovery's gay doctor who immediately got his neck broken, then came back, then spent the entire subsequent series angsting about it and not getting to be happy with his husband because he got killed off for no reason after Star Trek adamantly refusing for decades to properly acknowledge gay people.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-10 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
One could equally say that canon LGBTQ get more than their share of criticism and critical attention from viewers.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-10 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't consider people's admitted overanalysis to be on the same level as decades of gay characters being killed off because it was the only way they were allowed to be seen, or made a teachable moment for the sake of the straights, or trans people's existence and/or genitals being a punchline, comparable.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-10 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure, but I don't think that all canon LGBTQ characters should have to bear the weight of that history. And it's not what's going on with all LGBTQ characters today.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-10 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
They don't have to. I'm saying, they're often passed over because they're faulty for their own reasons.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-10 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that it happens but I also think at this point there are enough canon LGBTQ characters who don't suck that it can't be the whole explanation

(Anonymous) 2023-06-10 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Genuine question, what media are you watching where this is even much of a thing anymore? We still have a ways to go in regards to trans-rep, as in there isn't enough variety of characters who are, but BYG's has gotten less and less common over the last several years to the point that I can't remember the last time I saw it(outside of some shitty B-movie).

(Anonymous) 2023-06-10 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
As I said, STD is a recent example. They only backpedalled on that one due to fan backlash.

But my point isn't about BYG itself as much as generally flawed representation, which is very common even now, I think.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-11 08:31 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, everyone on STD was full of pointless angst though, that is one of the big problems with the show. It is like they saw that in DS9 the O'Brien Must Suffer episodes were fan faves, and turned every episode into one of those for everyone, without understanding why they worked so well. The Gay Doctor of STD got treated like crap, because STD was crap.