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⌈ Secret Post #6000 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

That's because a lot of the canon queer characters are shit, sorry.

Like ones who exist just to be a walking Very Special Episode, or are written by cishet people who have no idea what LGBT people are actually like and think "is gay" or "is trans" is a personality trait.

Or because they end up getting fucked over down the line by writers who either don't know what they're doing or don't care.

See: Star Trek Discovery's gay doctor who immediately got his neck broken, then came back, then spent the entire subsequent series angsting about it and not getting to be happy with his husband because he got killed off for no reason after Star Trek adamantly refusing for decades to properly acknowledge gay people.

[(Anonymous)]

One could equally say that canon LGBTQ get more than their share of criticism and critical attention from viewers.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't consider people's admitted overanalysis to be on the same level as decades of gay characters being killed off because it was the only way they were allowed to be seen, or made a teachable moment for the sake of the straights, or trans people's existence and/or genitals being a punchline, comparable.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, everyone on STD was full of pointless angst though, that is one of the big problems with the show. It is like they saw that in DS9 the O'Brien Must Suffer episodes were fan faves, and turned every episode into one of those for everyone, without understanding why they worked so well. The Gay Doctor of STD got treated like crap, because STD was crap.

[(Anonymous)]

I get wanting more recognition of canon queer characters, but sometimes characters who don't have a textually explicit canon sexuality wind up being the ones that people relate to more.

I have one fandom where there are textually canonically gay characters that... I can relate to a little bit, and I really appreciate seeing the way they have two different stories and experiences, but I find both of them less interesting than an older man who FEELS gay to me, and who, if so, has a totally different set of life experiences that I can relate to more deeply! And, between those, a character who's INTENSELY relatable to me on pretty much every level, and of course I do think he's gay, and that makes him more relatable to me, just like headcanoning him as trans would make him more relatable to me. The canon gay characters are important to me, but they aren't personal to me. The story they tell is important to me, but it's not my story. (I mean I don't use Pride to hold up my guys at the expense of the canon gay characters, I celebrate canon queer characters when I get them, but, when I can't find canon gay characters that I relate to as deeply as I do to characters who are presented ambiguously/not given any romantic interests whatsoever, I mean... I can celebrate what canon gave me, but what I make for myself based on who speaks to ME is who I'm going to actually spend my time writing about all year round)


Neurodivergent characters... tbh, nine times out of ten, a character who is clearly autistic but the creator didn't have a label for is relatable on a level that a white boy who loves trains isn't? The characters who get labeled are STILL too often written as stereotypes, not as people-- meanwhile there are so many characters who are CLEARLY ND but sometimes they were written at a time when different diagnostic criteria and labels were in use, or if you read older stuff, when there WASN'T one, and they're fleshed out and interesting and easy to connect to. And it doesn't mean I don't appreciate some canon ND characters-- sometimes just for being a stepping stone on the journey to getting ones who are real and well-written.

[(Anonymous)]

You're right, but watch everyone here claim that canon queer characters are 'bad' to justify their obsession with cis-het white dudes who aren't even slightly subtextually queer.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean there's literally nothing wrong with being obsessed with characters who aren't canonically or even subtextually queer, outside of the way that it interacts with Pride

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you!

There's always someone who wants to piss in fandom's cheerios. Like just let people enjoy their fake handsome man relationships!

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

[(Anonymous)]

True enough. When I see bellyaching about people getting ladyboners for "white, cis men," I see more of the double standard where men are expected to have a picky aesthetic preference, while women are shamed for preferring to fantasize about good looking guys, as opposed to dumpy, homely ones.

[feotakahari]

Let’s face it, most of the canon queer characters they would be compared to are cishet white or cishet Japanese. I’m sure there’s something out there with a black trans woman, but it’s not getting fandom posts on Tumblr.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, Orange Is the New Black and its black trans woman were popular for a long time, but fandoms come and go. And yeah, "only care about the hot white cis guys" that AYRT is talking about is very much a strawman.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, 9-1-1 has a canon Black lesbian couple, Hen and Karen, (and Josh, a canonically gay White man who is a supporting character), but I would bet that most of the fandom is focused on two male characters have only canonically dated women, Buck, a White man, and Eddie, a Latino man, who a lot of fandom headcanon as bi.

9-1-1 Lone Star fandom is probably a little better since the juggernaut pairing is the canon gay male couple who are and White and Latino. But I bet we won't hear anywhere near as much about Paul, the canon Black trans man.

It is absolutely fine for fandom to like who they like, of course, but maybe for celebrating Pride month and the strides made in media, it would be a good thing to focus on all of the canon LGBTQ+ characters.

[(Anonymous)]

No "claim", in general Hollywood writes shit queer characters. I've basically stopped watching western media all together so I can get some actually good queer characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Same, anon. First contact with Japanese media at ... oh, about twelve years old, and I decamped forever. Of course, not all of it is good, but the part that is, wow. There's no comparison.

[(Anonymous)]

I mostly like lesbians, tell me how many of those aren't fetish bait lmao

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom rarely cares about canon. Canon is boring, it's already there! Headcanons and imaginary shipping has no restraints and offers a lot more room for creativity. Plus, they can't 'ruin' the relationship for you if it's not actually canon!

But I get you.

[(Anonymous)]

This only tracks with m/m fandom, m/f fandom loves canon and always has done, like sure there's fanon m/f but most bigger m/f ships are canon. Also in my experience while fanon f/f ships do exist when there is canon f/f those fans really care about that too.

[(Anonymous)]

A) Fandom is not activism

B) Fandom is about what you like, what speaks to you, what you relate to, the exploration of self for real people (the fictional ones are tools)

C) If canon queer characters aren't getting love from Fandom then that is an issue with the characters, not the Fandom

[(Anonymous)]

Simple and true. Well put.

[(Anonymous)]

C) If canon queer characters aren't getting love from Fandom then that is an issue with the characters, not the Fandom

I definitely don't agree with this. If anything I would say it's mostly just not a problem or an issue at all, just a fact

[(Anonymous)]

+billions

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is a totally reasonable way to feel, and I understand why you feel this way. I also think you're making the right call in keeping it to yourself and just being privately annoyed (and/or only complaining in private to like-minded people, and on F!S which is designed for this kind of thing).

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know...fandom liked Torchwood's canon gay ships?

Honestly, people ship characters that have chemistry, and that doesn't necessarily mean they're queer in canon or have a relationship in canon.

Sometimes we just want beautiful people to bump uglies.