[ SECRET POST #6022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6022 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I’d pay for something teen-level considering I can’t even do that. You might underestimate how desperate people are for the pictures in their brains to come out.

[(Anonymous)]

That is so weird to me. But then I've never been a person that wanted to worn fandom stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, the incentive to support artists, especially new ones is good enough. But yeah, from non-artists, teen-level tends to be good enough too.

[meadowphoenix]

honestly, if they do rarepairs or rare characters, it probably works for them.

[ai]

This is what gets me.

A lot of the art I have isn't the best, but I'm happy to have it because it is of characters no one was drawing ♡ I've commissioned a lot of fanart for nicer things, but that's digital compared to having something I can squeeze in my grubby goblin hands.

[(Anonymous)]

See, I don't even get that, because I can commission a good artist for whatever I went and get good-quality art of my rarepair.

[(Anonymous)]

From my experience, most of them do the big mainstream ships because they probably think it will sell more. Or completely original stuff, which is much more of a gamble (random cutesy anime girl with tits out always tells, though, I guess).

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, if they're charging at a rate appropriate to their skill level, why not? To coin the old adage, you get what you pay for, and some people might prefer to pay less. And for those willing to pay more, I'm sure there'll be more talented and more expensive artists to choose from.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd wonder the same thing, OP. Don't booths/tables at cons cost money to rent? I hope they're at least breaking even. This might be ungenerous of me, because I have zero artistic skills and while I say power to the people who are brave enough to do this... yeah, I'm not paying $10 for teen-level drawing.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, tables run anywhere from $50 at small cons up to $1K at some of the largest, for artist-alley slots (not the vendors, those are even more pricey). there's usually a scrum at the door to get a coveted spot at the popular cons, it takes having your application ready to go as soon as they open up and then hoping you got in ahead of the bloodbath if it's first-come rather than juried. plus you've got all the money spent on prints, advertising, infrastructure (how you hang, display, put on prices, etc). plus, if it's not local to you, now add in gas/transportation, parking fees, maybe hotel costs, oh and food...

most artists take years of grinding at every single local/regional con from January to December, sometimes doing 12-15 a year, before they break even. Display infrastructure is an investment up front but you always have to pay for tables and printing your prints, that expense has to go into it every single con. it's very, very hard to actually make any kind of money, let alone full-time money, not to mention discouraging to watch people walk past you for hours and not even give your table a glance. I can't fathom wanting to do it if you don't have a ready fanbase that likes what you put out.

[(Anonymous)]

So many fanartists are mediocre to bad and get all sorts of praise and people buying their stuff. I don't understand it. Like are they all just friends being kind and supporting people or do people just have way lower standards of "good" than I do? It shall forever be a mystery.

[(Anonymous)]

The standards being set are very simple: do you understand what the fandom likes, wants, and occasionally finds insider joke style funny?

Then you may occasionally sell stuff at a convention. For some fan artists, the journey is the entire point of their artistic forays. They want to hobnob with their fellow art club friends, get some sweet autographs and convention pix, and afford a safe trip home. Oftentimes they wouldn't be able to afford this trip if they didn't sell something fandom related.

[(Anonymous)]

Art can be very subjective. Some very famous artists' works look amateurish or just off-putting to me.

[(Anonymous)]

The artists who annoy me are the ones who make huge dramatic posts about how NOBODY supports ARTISTS and why won't people commission them and likes are useless! Some of them are good artists, some of them are not.

Someone who is not that skilled just going about their business drawing what somebody wants to see, even if that someone is not me? Totally fine.

[(Anonymous)]

That's how I feel about writers generally. Fuck writers and I say this as someone who can write a good fic (in my native language at least) but not draw acceptable art

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I have those among my mutuals as well, especially some who keep going "real artist friends support their other artist friends and reblog their art uwu" which basically translates to "you must all reblog my art while I ignore your art lol".

[(Anonymous)]

If I give you the benefit of the doubt that your idea of bad fanart is not just heavily stylized in a way you don't vibe with--then yeah, I know what you mean and I'd probably feel the same way if I saw a booth full of that stuff at a con.

But otoh, I love lots of fanart that is heavily stylized doodles. As long as the style is deliberate and consistent, and succeeds in conveying whatever it's trying to convey, then I'm going to respect the skill there--even if the artist's style looks like art a dog threw up.

[(Anonymous)]

It's more like wonky anatomy, muddy colours and shaky lines.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of them probably aren't making money; most "artist alley" tables don't make a profit. Sometimes that's fine, they're doing it for the fun and the status. Sometimes they don't even realize it, because mediocre-to-good art skill don't automatically convey even the most basic of accounting skill (The number of artists I've had to explain concepts like "gross", "net", and "cost of inventory" to...) and if they make enough gross to pay for their meals at the con they honestly think they're breaking even (sometimes this is even true, some artist's alley tables are barely more expensive than a regular badge, and if you were planning to attend the con anyway...) And some of them live on a supply of ever-bolstered hope that this is the con that will finally put them in the black.

Anyway, if you want an actual answer to your question, ask them if they need any help with sorting their receipts and accounts.

[(Anonymous)]

I've wondered the same thing, anon. Fortunately not about friends, but definitely about art quality from people who hope to sell their art.

[(Anonymous)]

They may be more self-aware than you think. As someone who wants to start getting coms and selling my art, I'm aware I'm not at a level many bigger artists are, just a little out of alternatives at the moment. The positive of doing booths can be reaching a wider audience which can pay off later, it's not only what you make at the booth.

Also, even really great artists don't make too much from booths from what I've heard, you need to be top of the tops for it to give a lot back. Then the positive of having less experienced artists is that they'll not be as expensive, and they also may not have certain limits many bigger artists have, like just certain ships or any ships at all.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Another thing is, quality is not everything in the area. In the same way there are many mediocre writers that still write, half because of passion, but also because if the industry had to rely on only top-quality, there wouldn't be much art at all...

[(Anonymous)]

DA - bless your soul and those of likeminded people, fuck this secret. Signed, potencial buyer

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, artist myself and it's because I am very self-aware that I wouldn't dream of investing this much money in pre-production, travel and booth fees.