[ SECRET POST #6044 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6044 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 28 secrets from Secret Submission Post #864.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Warriors are cool and violence is aesthetically interesting

Re: Life Goals

[(Anonymous)]

Oh I like where your mind went. I'd be very into that kind of project. And it could spin into a series as well, with photographing women in similar and opposite fashion as well. Just generally each project could be one piece in examining the multiple facets of gender, gender roles, expectations, and stereotypes.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess I'm not sure what you mean by original provenance here. Sure, for something like Nazi loot, that's what you'd go by. But often the dispute for cultural treasures that crossed oceans a century ago is over things like how the concept of "ownership" even applies, and there may be half a dozen parties in the dispute who are all defining it differently.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'm not convinced that's totally a colonial phenomenon, though. The mythologizing of older, more disciplined, more noble, more "earthy," more spiritual, more pure bands of warriors happens across cultures. There can undoubtedly be a racist or xenophobic component in the way these bands are imagined, but the fact that base trope itself appears under different guises I think points to some other underlying impulse.

[(Anonymous)]

I would sort of gently push back on this a little?

So, one, I think it's pretty clear that the idea of Proud Warriors clearly predates the discourses you're talking about here. All of that stuff, the idea of martial virtue and honor and the idea of a specific people being brave and honorable, that's just a commonplace in European cultural history; that's the entire point of chivalry and chivalric romances, that's the point of the long-running glorification of the Spartans, and on and on.

Second, I don't think the transformation of the idea of Proud Warriors into the more specific trope of the Proud Warrior Race is specifically racist. I think it is bound up with ideas of modernity and otherness. The Proud Warrior Race is, in general, bound up with an idea of an ancient honorable past that exists in opposition to the putative modernity and reasonableness of the observer. And colonialism is one of the primary locales of modernity and otherness, and Proud Warrior Race as a category was frequently invoked for dealing with actual colonized peoples. But I would also argue that like... one, the *charge* of the trope isn't the racism; a huge part of the charge of the trope is the same as the appeal of the chivalric romances and the Spartans had been. Two, I think one of the classical ur-sources of the Proud Warrior Race is the Scottish Highlanders, who I would say are distinctly *not* part of this sort of 19th-century colonial racist discourse.

[(Anonymous)]

No, OP is saying the canon is good and the fandom is bad. They're saying they stick to fandoms for bad canons unlike FMA because good canons don't result in good fandoms like bad canons do.

[(Anonymous)]

DA but it seems to me that the central part of the discourse is the part to do with modernity and tradition

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it seems like a troll secret to me, too.

[(Anonymous)]

This seems to be the fate of most of all the culture battle stuff, eventually all the terms get run into the ground.

[(Anonymous)]

OH . OHHHHH okay now i'm relieved bc I was like "aw fuck another creator failing me. Dammit"

but WHEW. thanks kind stranger.

[(Anonymous)]

*eyes the term Mary Sue*

[(Anonymous)]

There's also possibly the most common variant, "I believe creating content of this nature is ethically wrong/toxic, and I judge people who do it."

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

ah right i knew I might be missing one

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Well yeah, but if it can't be reasonably demonstrated (like if there's multiple potentially valid claims), then it doesn't get returned.

Re: Life Goals

[(Anonymous)]

Managing my anxiety better.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I think I see where the disconnect is.

So, in the type of situation you're describing, I think the answer is simple: it doesn't get returned, because which party's claim is accurate can't be demonstrated to any reasonable degree. In a case where the evidence points toward one party's claim being accurate, then it gets returned.

To me, the story of a piece may be convoluted, but that doesn't complicate the question of whether it should be returned. You can either say, "yes, the evidence definitely points toward this piece having been looted from this location" or you can't.

[(Anonymous)]

The Fianna, as well, if we're treading into that territory.

[(Anonymous)]

"This female character is the focus of the story and other characters like her? MARY SUE!"

Get that thought out of your head!

[(Anonymous)]

Do you have a weird idea or paranoid concern that won't leave you alone? Don't want to tell your brickspace peeps because it's weird or unsettling? Dump it here and run away into the night!

I'll start! Do you think that the metaphorical dead horse you're not supposed to beat is the same one that you couldn't make drink?

[(Anonymous)]

Adorable! And hilarious with the secret.

[(Anonymous)]

It’s true. Because the first anime was a mess as well

[(Anonymous)]

Spoken like every other fan who discovered FMA with the first anime, watched it religiously every week, and sung its praises and wrote fanfic while it was on the air, and then turned and pretended you always hated it as soon as it ended and a BNF made a Livejournal post about why it was Satan and the manga was God.

Re: Get that thought out of your head!

[(Anonymous)]

Not paranoid, just a weird shower thought I have nowhere to share...

The "Who" in Doctor Who is the same as the "Hello" in Hello Kitty.

Re: Get that thought out of your head!

[(Anonymous)]

Why oh why have I had the Roadrunner theme song stuck in my head for a week? I haven't even listened to it or watched the show at all recently. It is just randomly stuck in my head.

[(Anonymous)]

There was some good RoyxHavoc, too... plenty of EdxWinry, AlxWinry, the occasional EdxAlxWinry, and a surprising amount of MaesxRoy for how devoted a family man Maes was, but people knew how to be cool about it, you know? I'm sure in the greater fandom there were ship wars that I just wasn't around for, but the people I hung around were very ship-and-let-ship (or multiship), for the most part.