[ SECRET POST #6044 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6044 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/QpTxH8K.png

[(Anonymous)]

0/10

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it seems like a troll secret to me, too.

[(Anonymous)]

I get this. And I also get why it's a secret.

[(Anonymous)]

Rapa Nui even offered a brand new Moai statue exclusive for the museum like they did for Minamisanriku, as exchange for the one that is in the museum. But the museum still said "no, we want THIS statue instead".

So while is good some pieces are in a safe place, you cannot ignore they're being twats with people whiling to donate newer pieces for the ones that were taken away.

[(Anonymous)]

Short of there being a bloody revolution going on, things are most at risk of damage, theft, or general lossage, when they are in transit. If they can make a new one on site and leave the historically significant where it is, especially if it is more accessible to the public, then from a basic logistical and security sense, that is where it should stay.

[(Anonymous)]

"The public"

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's a net good when things are in museums in relatively stable places where they can be preserved.

Greece needs their marbles back.

But on the other hand, there are pieces of shit like the Taliban/Isil destroying art over ideology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_heritage_by_the_Islamic_State

[(Anonymous)]

Greek museums were within a hair of being generally looted just last decade when its economy collapsed. So, I'm going with a hard no on that one until they have a track record for a few decades without either revolution or economic collapse. Or everything catching fire and burning to the ground. I get they want it, but they have not demonstrated enough stability to safely be trusted with the foundations of world history yet.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if I feel like the conversation about when to return things is all that complicated. Generally speaking, unless there's a reasonable concern that something will happen to the artifact if its returned to its place of origin (for example, if said place is in the midst of like a full-blown civil war or something), then it should be returned.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it can be complicated; if something was unambiguously stolen, looted, or illegally smuggled in order to be placed in a museum it should certainly be sent back. But relatively few of the artifacts in question are that clear. If something was traded away in a transaction that both parties considered satisfactory at the time but sometime later someone else claiming authority for one of the parties involved from decides the transaction was invalid, it gets more complicated fast.

And that's not even touching on things like right of conquest. If an object was looted after a genocidal invasion, and they traded it to somebody else, and they had it extorted away from them by someone else in exchange for their life, and then when they died there was an inheritance dispute over who got it, and then the person who kept it after that was violently overthrown and the usurper gave it to another person in exchange for supporting the coup, and then his heir signed it over in a peace treaty after losing a war, and none of those people or the entities they represented exist anymore - who stole it and who needs to give it back?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Wouldn't it become down to original provenance in such cases? If the original provenance can be reasonably demonstrated, then whether the current owner obtained it in good faith or in a convoluted way doesn't matter.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

On the other hand, I think you are ignoring that cultural institutions like the British Museum are refusing to even return the obviously looted stuff. Honestly I think trying to muddy the conversation by saying there are 'complicated' situations is in bad faith as it implies that 'complications' are what's keeping instititions from returning stuff, rather than greed.

[(Anonymous)]

For some of their pieces this was true or is true, ie: in the case of the Taliban that another anon posted. But when perfectly safe countries are asking for their original pieces of history back, with the offer of a replica in their place, and the BM is actively refusing that? Then they're being absolute wankers and upholding to colonialist ideals for no reason other than "they can".

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention that a lot of those wars and the destabilisation that led to them were directly caused by the colonial powers anyway...

[meadowphoenix]

Sure the things the burgular stole wouldn't have existed if they'd stayed in the house when he set the fire (or in some cases poured the gasoline where there were lit matches), but I don't think that's a reason to not give the stuff back.

I think if you caused the cultural damage you should do the cultural reparation, and I don't think that's complicated. Expensive, but not complicated.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

[calystarose]

exactly this

[(Anonymous)]

It's not always the burglar who set the fire. Often, the fire was set by a completely different person many years later.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah this is a very good point, half the shit in there wouldn't have needed 'saving' if the British Empire hadn't been actively invading those places to begin with.

[(Anonymous)]

This secret is a reminder to me that some people's heads are so fucking far up the British royals' asses they are digesting the food for the royals with their bare teeth.

Y'all need to question how close you really are sitting to white supremacy because I get the feeling some of y'all are way too comfortable where you're sitting.

[(Anonymous)]

Who is "y'all" here. There's like 2 people in the thread that agree with the secret.

[(Anonymous)]

And this secret has...what to do with the RF, exactly? Need some cream for that butt-hurt?

[(Anonymous)]

You seem like a bigger troll than OP.

[(Anonymous)]

I hope the UK donates Queen Elizabeth’s body to an Egyptian museum.