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Comments

[queenslayerbee]

I haven't read her first-hand, although I've had fun reading/watching reviews that trashed her books lol. If I did read them my issue would hardly be about the female protagonists though. All her male characters sound exactly like everything I hate xD

[(Anonymous)]

Any review recs?

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks!

[(Anonymous)]

That review is odd. The quotes she provides to back up her criticisms don't really seem to fit at all. They're nowhere near as bad as she makes them out to be. For example, she complains about Cassian treating Nesta poorly, then posts a quote of him...recognizing that she's hurting, and that it's therefore shitty of him to lust after her.

I dunno. I've come away with the impression that it's trite, slightly trashy YA, which I'd already had the impression it was. But I also came away with the impression that the reviewer read a damn lot into it, and was trying very hard to make it appear more problematic than it actually is.

[(Anonymous)]

The quote was an example of the framing of his lustful thoughts and how HOT she is while she's suffering, THEN her feelings, and how that's a weird fucking framing.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

That's not how she sets it up at all. She writes about how he lusts after her and says hurtful things to her, and then gives as an example an instance of him acknowledging her feelings and regretting his own. There's nothing weird about his behavior in the quote; people often have inappropriate thoughts or feelings about others, and then catch themselves and feel bad about it. And in a section that's from his POV, yes, his feelings are going to take precedence -- because we're seeing his perspective, not hers.

[(Anonymous)]

Thought crimes aren't real.

[queenslayerbee]

"they're nowhere near as bad s she makes it out to be" a.) that's your opinion b.) it's only not as bad if you compare it with the OTHER couple of the book and the guy's terrible behaviour there.

The point for me is that the story (and the books preceding it which is part of the context the reviewer has and us don't. SJM seems to follow a pattern and has clear preferences about her male characters) is full of alpha male bullshit which a lot of the readers call a "feminist" fantasy because it's THEIR sexual fantasy. And I think that's bullshit lol. Good on you for finding something that gets you hot but that's not what feminism is.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, feminism is forcing yourself to do things that you don't like, and then blaming men when it turns out that that's a depressing life.

[(Anonymous)]

????

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think women who aren't you are Doing Feminism Wrong just because they have those fantasies. What people like in fiction does not necessarily line up with their real world desires, let alone their political views.

Also, I thought feminism was about women being able to make their own choices about their own lives, not necessarily what they choose to do with their lives.

[queenslayerbee]

I'm not saying it's unfeminist to have those fantasies, I'm saying it's ridiculous to claim those fantasies (or any sexual fantasy of any kind, really) are feminist. Or empowering or transgressive or any other word people might use. And that, btw, they only use when it's women fantasising about being dominated by men, but would likely NEVER use for any other axis of oppression, lbr.

I *agree* that what people like in fiction (or in bed) is separate from their political and philosophical beliefs. That's my point. People that read these kinds of books (or things like historical romance and the like, often filled with similar tropes) always rave about how empowering theily are for women because they align with THEIR fantasies, as if bringing them pleasure has anything to do with feminism.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry to spam you, but the more I read this review, the more I'm annoying by it.

So this person is yet another woman who thinks that because she's never had good sex that involved intercourse, no other woman ever has, either. "Points off for the implication that Cassian's penis is better at pleasuring Nesta than her own hand is." Um, yes? Yes, my husband's penis is better at pleasuring me than my own hand. Do I have to give up my Woman Card now, because I'm one of the forty percent (that's not actually that small a number!) who can, in fact, orgasm from PIV alone? Do I have to pretend that I hate it? Do I have to pretend, now, that I don't like giving oral, or that I don't like the occasional rough sex? What about all the other women who like these things, who are in fact the audience for the kind of sex scenes that apparently populate this book? I suppose we must all have internalized misogyny. Our desires are Wrong and Bad, and so is the way in which we experience and express our sexuality.

I want to tell her that it does not make her enlightened, or feminist, to have had such bad sex that she prefers her hand. It might mean that she's unlucky; it might, dare I say, even mean that instead of approaching sex with a sense of curiosity and fun, she's approaching it with an overly critical, pessimistic mindset that guarantees she'll have a bad time (yes, this is in fact a thing that people do). It doesn't mean that she has some kind of unique insight about The Right Kind of Sex for women to want.

[(Anonymous)]

...she's saying that that's the ONLY kind of sex portrayed in the book as Superior and Meaningful.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

She very clearly makes the claim that the problem is that this is not the kind of sex that's good for women in real life.

[(Anonymous)]

The claim is that the other kinds of sex are never put on a pedestal the way PIV is. I promise that mindblowing PIV sex is not going anywhere in romance novels, and I agree that, as you said, the primary audience for this series probably fucking loves it, but man does it get old and obnoxious to keep reading about throbbing cock in a series that supposedly centers female characters the way this series claims to.

But like, clearly you disagree with the reviewer, and clearly they disagree with you, so you being mad about it doesn't change their opinion or anyone else's, just like theirs clearly doesn't change yours. Calm down.

[queenslayerbee]

You're a joke of a person. I hope your husband gets erectile disfunción soon tbh.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Making a mental note to skip reading your comments from now on.

Re: DA

[queenslayerbee]

Sure. The problem is me, not the person making incredible insulting, hurtful assumptions & commentary about a stranger's sex life. Of course since they're anonymous it's not like you can do the same with them lol.

[(Anonymous)]

God I hate het women lmfao. Gross. Absolutely no one wanted to hear about your husband's perfect magic penis.

[(Anonymous)]

At least she's not going into loving detail about the joys of eating pussy to explain why trans women shouldn't be considered women.

https://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/2502851.html?thread=1074681539#cmt1074681539

[(Anonymous)]

Odds are good you'll be married to a dude by your 30s. It's what happens to most performatively queer women.

[(Anonymous)]

No one but you is obsessed with your husbands magical amazing supercock.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes? That's... generally how monogamy works? What kind of sick burn do you think this is?