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[(Anonymous)]

ADHD is not a mental illness?? also just wow at the assumptions here.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't it partially(?) caused by your brain not making dopamine enough/efficiently? Isn't a brain disease a mental illness?

Can we get off the train that mental illness = negative compared to an illness in any other organ?

[philstar22]

This. Mental illness is being sick, the same as any other illness. My depression and anxiety are sickness. If some people are happy to live with them, that's cool. I'm not, and I'd be very happy if they went away. And the medicine that treats them and allows me to function in the world are really important.

Frankly I find it more insulting when people think mental illness is an insult. Being sick should not be a pejorative. It has no moral element. Being sick says nothing about a person. That applies to both physical and mental.

[(Anonymous)]

Frankly I find it more insulting when people think mental illness is an insult.
No one said it was an insult, only that it’s an insult to call ADHD a mental illness. Because it isn’t. And unlike your depression and anxiety, there isn’t a cure.

[philstar22]

It is a kind of illness, though. Same as any other disability. And while there isn't a cure at the moment, if there was, it wouldn't be bad to treat it. And, for the record, there really isn't a cure for depression or anxiety either. Treatment is about living with them. Same as there are medicines that can help you live with ADHD or other similar disabilities. So it is an apt comparison.

[(Anonymous)]

ADHD is not an illness. It isn’t even like an illness. And it isn’t a mental illness. That’s it. That’s all. That’s the only point of the comment you originally replied to. And the distinction is important because there are people like you who make inaccurate and often inappropriate assumptions based on what you know about mental illness.

[philstar22]

I'm sorry. Maybe I don't completely understand. Is it not a disability?

[(Anonymous)]

Just stop calling it an illness. And especially don’t call it a mental illness. Not because mental illness is inherently bad like you assumed, but because they are two very different things. Different causes, different treatments, different everything. And the experiences and preconceptions surrounding mental illness do not apply to ADHD or any other neurological disorders.

[philstar22]

Okay, sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

It’s ok and I’m also sorry for not clearly expressing that my objection isn’t because I think mental illness is inherently bad.

You’re right that it is a disability and that it’s viewed almost exactly the same as mental illness. Which is to say that even though people may need and qualify for special accommodation, it rarely happens. Part of that is the stigma of mental illness, part of it with ADHD and dyslexia and autism is that a lot of people truly believe it’s a temporary condition that can be overcome if the person wasn’t lazy, others believe it’s temporary and the right medication will cure it.

[(Anonymous)]

>implying depression and anxiety have cures

I hope you slam your finger in a car door.

[(Anonymous)]

News flash: the majority of cases of depression and anxiety are curable. Chronic depression is not depression. Chronic anxiety is not anxiety.

Huh, it’s almost like word choice matters…

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Chronic depression is not depression. Chronic anxiety is not anxiety.

Huh, it’s almost like word choice matters…

Irony alert. Chronic Anxiety IS anxiety. It's why it has anxiety in the name. I'm not going to say "my chronic anxiety" every time I talk about my INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS. I'm just going to say anxiety... And no, anxiety is not curable. (yet, hopefully)

[(Anonymous)]

Um, anxiety and depression are curable. Psychotherapy, medication, and cognitive therapy are all proven treatments that often eliminate anxiety and depression.

I’m sorry you’re struggling nonnie and I won’t wish harm to you like you have to others but your experience isn’t the be all end all. The majority of patients who seek treatment for anxiety or depression are cured within 12 months.

[(Anonymous)]

Psychotherapy, medication, and cognitive therapy are TREATMENTS. They are not cures. Anxiety is not curable. It is treatable. I have been suffering from anxiety almost my entire life, so for people to claim that it's "curable" is just a slap in the face.

"Though anxiety doesn’t have a cure, there are many good options for treatment that can get your symptoms under control."
https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/generalized-anxiety-disorder/cure

"The short answer to, “Can anxiety be cured?” is no, but only in the sense that someone cannot permanently guarantee they will never have another anxiety or panic attack. With proper treatment, they can greatly reduce their symptoms. They may even feel as though they are cured if enough time passes without a resurgence of their symptoms. However, the reality remains that “cure” would be a misleading term to use."
https://www.springbrookhospital.org/can-anxiety-be-cured/

"Anxiety disorder is not curable. It is manageable."
https://zoihospitals.com/is-anxiety-disorder-curable/

"Anxiety cannot be cured, but it can be controlled and managed to a point that you can go back to a premorbid level of functioning. It requires the right treatment plan."
https://www.cadabamshospitals.com/severe-anxiety-treatments-are-effective/

"Anxiety disorders, like most mental disorders, are not curable. They are highly treatable, however, and respond well to two main types of treatment; medication and psychotherapy."
https://archstonerecovery.com/mental-health-treatment-fl/anxiety-treatment-fl/

DA

[(Anonymous)]

For that last sentence, are you sure you're not thinking of remission?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430847/#:~:text=Complete%20remission%20is%20not%20common,patients%20with%20depression%20is%20poor.

[(Anonymous)]

But there's a significant difference between chronic anxiety versus acute or situational anxiety. That's the whole point. CHRONIC anxiety can't be cured, only managed. Acute/situational anxiety CAN in fact be cured once the situation that's causing the anxiety is resolved.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Situational anxiety is an emotion. It's not a condition. It's a healthy biological response to a situation in the environment. It doesn't have a "cure" because there's nothing that needs curing. That's like saying there's a cure for feeling annoyed.

There's a difference between "I feel anxiety right now/for this situation" and "I HAVE anxiety". HAVING anxiety is not a response to a situation in the environment.

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Neurological disorders are not mental illnesses. And calling them that implies there is a treatment and possibly even a cure. The fact is that mental illnesses can be treated and often cured but neurological disorders can only be managed at best. It’s why that disgusting puzzle piece for autism is a widely regarded as a hate symbol.

Re: NAYRT

[philstar22]

Okay, not exactly a mental illness. But they are a disability. They are a kind of illness. It is sad that they aren't treatable. But it wouldn't be wrong to treat it if there was a treatment.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

The reason there is so much debate about whether they things like ADHD are an illness or disability is because unlike say, cancer (something undebatably an illness that will kill you no matter what unless it's cured), everything that makes ADHD a problem comes down to social constructs, the way society is built to best accommodate brains without ADHD.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

everything that makes ADHD a problem comes down to social constructs

I'm sorry, but bullshit. Expecting people to show up at 6 PM when you make a dinner reservation at a restaurant for 6 PM isn't a "social construct" because if the concept of time didn't exist then no one would ever be able to do anything as a group if people just showed up for things whenever they felt like it.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

NARYT

everything that makes ADHD a problem comes down to social constructs, the way society is built to best accommodate brains without ADHD.

I hear this a lot in relation to ASD as well, and I feel it oversimplifies the issue. While with neurodivergence of any sort there are cultural/social components, some aspects will be issues even without any social aspects being included.

(Inattention when making dinner alone comes to mind. It's possible to burn something or even cut yourself opening a package. While I have found that my ADHD diagnosis was in fact in error, I have cut myself with a butter knife due to inattention, so I can see how this can cause issues outside of social situations.)

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. Losing your keys because you set them down somewhere and forgot where you put them is a problem. Having to throw out an entire bag of perishable groceries because you set them down on the counter and forgot to put them into the fridge so they sat out overnight is a problem. Setting off the smoke alarm because you put dinner on the stove and then got distracted by something else is a problem. Arriving 45 minutes late for a flight is a problem.

None of those things have cultural/social components to them.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Ah thank you, I wasn't thinking of disorders vs illnesses as separate things, that does make sense. :)