[ SECRET POST #6170 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6170 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm.

Having now seen it twice, I'm troubled by this, but I have to think about why.

Men want to see other men in fiction, even men getting whumped. They rarely want to see women. But women also want to see men, and don't want to see women. Is it really about the distance, or is it about how our society views women; and the fact that even women are taught to value men more highly, to find them more relatable?

[greghousesgf]

some writers don't really write female characters at all well.

Re: What fandom had your fave fic

[(Anonymous)]

Read some great fics in the first couple of years after Rogue One's release. A couple going on missions and fighting together! That's all I want in life, and I got it in spades.

Over time, it's devolved into modern AUs in which there's more soap opera than action. But that's to be expected for a fandom based around a single movie that came out 7 years ago.

[(Anonymous)]

This is stupid.

The biggest reason that male characters are more popular than female characters in transformative fandom is because people in transformative fandom, on the whole, are more attracted to men than to women. Period.

The second most important reason that male characters are more popular than female characters is because there are generally more male characters and they get more screen time and plot significance.

Any other reasons beyond that pale in comparison, and aren't even worth mentioning

[(Anonymous)]

OP

I've just finished Heavensward and my heart broke thinking that I might never get to go and talk to him again. I don't give a damn about most of the Scions; I just care about Ishgard. Best city ever.

I just love him so much I had to play a tank (I'm a DPS main) after he got stabbed (I didn't know he was a paladin or I would have picked a healer) and I tried tanking for him during the part when he wanted to rescue the hostages. My free company still makes fun of me about it.

[(Anonymous)]

God, THIS. I've seen people rant about how there are no good female characters in fiction and then they proceeded to trash and tear down every single female character they encountered because she wasn't unproblematic enough for them? Because god forbid that a female character have any sort of flaws, especially not the exact same sort of flaws that they turn a blind eye to when they're in a male character!

[(Anonymous)]

Oh ffs. This is the exact same argument people pull out every single time.

[greghousesgf]

because it's true.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

For me this a specifically fanfic only situation. I want shows and games and books with female leads/cast, I just don't want fic focused on them. I come to fanfic with very specific wants and a very specific experience. Its actually the opposite of what I look for in most other media. It is absolutely about distance, not value.

[(Anonymous)]

"Some writers don't write women well" =/= "there are no good female characters." Many people behave as if the latter is true.

[(Anonymous)]

Careful! Last time I pointed out that there was an abuse report system I was accused of being "hostile" and "awful". So... ymmv.

Re: What fandom had your fave fic

[(Anonymous)]

2ha. Yeah, I know I should be ashamed.

Scum Villain but only the MBJ/SQH part. I like SQQ well enough, but most people can't write LBH so I usually don't like reading about them. Plus I don't like switching and that's all they seem to write. And I really don't care for any permutation of them with LQQ. I like LBH/ original SQQ though.

Re: What fandom had your fave fic

[kaijinscendre]

Probably MCU. Has a ton of tropes and kinks I love because of the sheer size of the fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

+100

[(Anonymous)]

Same! I love watching movies and tv about awesome women, there are not enough of them! But I don't do fandom for them cause, yeah, too close to home. I'm mostly in fandom for the porn, emotional or otherwise. I'm also aroace, so I won't want to be reading about anything that could be even close to hinting about a relationship/sex with anyone close to being me. No, thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

The other reasons are absolutely worth mentioning to people in fandom who watch their female faves get constantly shit on. In those cases, your first reason may apply, but the second certainly doesn't; and even if the first does, that doesn't excuse people behaving like misogynistic assholes, nor does it excuse the hypocrisy that tends to accompany it.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000.

And when you point this out, some assholes will act as if you have a personal duty to spend the time, energy, and money to trawl through the millions of tv shows and movies to find good female characters, otherwise you're anti-woman.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, any time a female character gets a bigger fan response than the show-writer's favorite male character, they always punish the fandom by ruining her character, killing her off, making her "fall in love" with some rando who then leaves the show after one episode and takes her with him. Show-writers need to get over their misogyny and realize that the female character that everyone likes is still THEIR character.

[ariakas]

I'm not so sure about this, men don't want to see other men getting whumped. They would much rather see women in that circumstance, which is why the horror genre has so many female protagonists (why Harry was genderswapped in the SH film, why so many male players got so uncomfortable with Outlast 2, because the male protagonist is helpless/overpowered and sexually menaced like a standard female horror protagonist would be). They want to see other men in fiction when they can live through them as a power fantasy. They don't want to see them sobbing/afraid/disempowered. Like, emphatically do not.

Probably for exactly the same degrees-of-separation reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

It hasn't been true for at least 20 years.

Some writers don't write female characters well, sure. But some writers also don't write male characters well, and for some reason you never hear anyone complaining about that.

Re: What fandom had your fave fic

[(Anonymous)]

Depends on the type of fic.

PWPs: Tolkien, Legend of the Seeker, Star Wars, MCU, Buffy
Long fic: Harry Potter, Star Wars
Wump: MCU, Tolkien
dark fic: Tolkien
AU: Harry Potter, Star Wars
Shippy/sappy without much plot: Tolkien, Doctor Who

[(Anonymous)]

But I think even that need for distance is socially mediated, because men tend not to have that same need for distance. So, either there's some essential difference between men and women, or there's something else going on.

The connection requires some explanation, but I think sometimes about something I read several years back. Women were surveyed some time ago, the '20s IIRC, on how they felt about their genitalia, and the bulk of responses were neutral to positive. In modern times, when women are surveyed on the same, the responses are largely negative.

Are we sure the distance we need from ourselves isn't because we've been taught to dislike ourselves, because women are supposedly dislikeable?

Re: What fandom had your fave fic

[(Anonymous)]

MDZS - Arranged Marriage. Identity Porn. CNC. Royalty (of a sorts). Court politics. All of that plus magic - leading to endless time travel, canon-realistic moving between alternate universes, reincarnation, etc etc.

I love it here and I will never leave.

[ariakas]

The biggest reason that male characters are more popular than female characters in transformative fandom is because people in transformative fandom, on the whole, are more attracted to men than to women. Period.

Yeaaaaaahhhh as someone who is legit attracted to women and whose first ship was Haruka/Michiru I really wish straight women/gay trans dudes/solely masc-attracted nb people/etc. stopped thinking they have to do performative Yuri Duty to cleanse their BL sins or something because it's not like it doesn't bleed through with every word that they're not really into it. Kudos to the ones who call it an "ace headcanon" though they've really cracked the code, de-sexed all of the icky female characters, but wokely!

The second most important reason that male characters are more popular than female characters is because there are generally more male characters and they get more screen time and plot significance.

Yep. As seen by there being overwhelmingly more fanfic/fanworks about female characters when the female characters are the stars and better written, like the aforementioned BSSM, Madoka, hell even something like Korra where F/F has by far and away the most fanfic because the fans legitimately have the hots for the main F/F ship even though it's a token half-nod at the end of the series because they characters themselves are complex and well-written and the stars of the show. People want to see themselves as the heroes and to desire things that are desirable, not smash two cardboard cutouts the writers see only as plot devices for their male cast members together into disinterested gruel to ward off yaoi impiety.

[greghousesgf]

I've seen quite a few shows where the male characters were badly written too.