[ SECRET POST #6177 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6177 ⌋

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[fscom]

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I disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

There are absolutely things that need sequels or to be continued. I'm not talking about things with deliberately ambiguous endings, but the ones with so many loose story threads. The ones where almost nothing has been resolved and it feels like you've stopped in the middle.

I also think that some sequels or continuation take away from what came before. A sequel or continuation should add something to the property. If it trashes many or all of the good things from the property, then making it was a bad choice.

Re: I disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

But who gets to decide that? Take any sequel or prequel, and you will find someone who thinks it is awful and ruins what came before. You will also find someone who loves it and thinks it is a great continuantion.

Re: I disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but yes, this is a good point and would depend on the viewer.

[(Anonymous)]

I think when people say that they often mean the sequel doesn't feel like it's adding anything to the story.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! Sometimes a story is so complete in itself that a second season just messes up the best parts of the series ending, or has to go far outside the original premise to work, and that's when it feels unnecessary. If you have monster of the week episodes you can go on for years, but a focus on a particular story arc often works better as a limited series.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, but this feels a little pedantic. People are usually just saying they feel like a story has come to a satisfying conclusion and they think adding more would make it less cohesive. Which is a reasonable take a lot of the time, considering the amount of not-very-good sequels out there.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes, yes. Other times people are loudly insisting that the sequel/prequel shouldn't exist and screaming at the creators and anyone who disagrees with them.

[(Anonymous)]

This is exactly how I feel about most sequels and prequels, though it isn’t something I waste time bringing up in fandom.
OP seems to think these things exist because the writers have more story to tell but I can’t remember ever seeing that in any franchise. It’s ALWAYS because the studios want to milk the audience for more money. Some adaptations are the same way.
Personally, I just ignore what doesn’t interest me. And if I wrote fic in those fandoms, I write it as though the subsequent material doesn’t exist and make an author’s note about it. “Set during X,” or, “Diverges from canon after X.”

[feotakahari]

Sometimes the person who wrote the earlier story doesn’t own the license and has no control over whether the new ones are made.

[meadowphoenix]

I agree and disagree, I feel like it's perfectly fine to make a normative judgment on whether adding to some piece of media is likely to be interesting/additive/good. And more importantly, it's extremely normal to have thoughts on media, including these. Essentially these comments are just thoughts and commentary on the story told, which is part of telling a story.

That said, people are really annoying. There are few things more irritating to me than "we already know what's going to happen" or "this ended firmly" Okay? Sometimes I like to understand the source of someone's cynicism or optimism. Sometimes I like seeing how a someone faces a new challenge. Life doesn't stop and start just when we are engaged. You can say new things with the same characters and/or places!

On the third hand, corporations do be wildin in trash. Usually I don't get none of the stuff that's interesting in the way i just mentioned, I get thoughtless bullshit. Like I'm just thinking of how it would have been amazing to do prequel/sequel with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Luke, where Obi-Wan learns to find hope again and Luke loses it. It would made Luke's parts of the Last Jedi actually cohesive for one thing. Instead we got Kenobi and Rian Johnson trying to explicate the fallout of a story none of us know.

So, I guess I gotta say, this is just living with other people sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the type of person who can't ignore sequels even if I hate them and/or they're actually just bad. I've tried. I can't. If I love something and it gets a sequel that takes it in a way I don't like, I can no longer enjoy it at all. So yeah. Some things don't need sequels and should never have them.

[(Anonymous)]

Saying people can't make a judgment about whether a work should have a sequel/prequel or not because 'only the author can decide that' is basically like saying people can't call a work good or not because 'only the author knows that'. I.e. it's a pretty stupid take.

[(Anonymous)]

This. It's not like the people making the stories are some infallible beings who only make the correct decisions with their own properties. And if the pressure to continue the story comes from the studio/publisher, as is sometimes the case, it's not really a creative decision at all. Getting paid is a powerful motivator, but it doesn’t necessarily result in a worthwhile sequel.

[(Anonymous)]

Funnily enough, hot takes like the one OP here have is why I don't engage in fandom much anymore. LOL

I understand we all have differing opinions, talking to each other about our preferences and why we like what we like, but why engage with people who don't even want to hear you out or look at something with a new/different perspective?

That's the real reason as to why I've taken a step back from fandom.

Everyone is just so sure their opinion is the "right" opinion. It's about winning the argument, not so much futhering discussion on art/creativity or challenging oneself to see beyond their own biases and preferences.

It's always about how other people are stupid and wrong and therefore fuck you and your opinions.
=(

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like this is the internet in general these days, including this comm.

I remember when I first got online in the late '90s. There were trolls and assholes, of course, but it was so much easier for two people with different perspectives to have a good conversation. Hell, I feel like that was the case even just about 10 years ago.

You go to a site that's supposedly about discussion now, and at best it's just everyone smugly saying "lol" and "k" at each other; at worst they're writing treatises on how the other person is irredeemably bad.

[(Anonymous)]

>>I feel like this is the internet in general these days

I have my own simple explanation for this phenomenon.
ONCE UPON A TIME *dramatic voice*, writing and surfing the internet and fandom communities was more intentional. You had to sit down at the PC to read discussions. You had to cut out time from your routine for it.
Nowadays, a lot of "discussions" is made in a more distracted mode. On smartphones or even at the PC, the amount of information and entertainment available only a click away is way more distracting, so people don't have the patience of writing a thoughtful reply or even just to think about stuff more deeply.
They want to interact with the discussion, but have no time to write or even think of a reasonable answer, so they do the "lol", "k", "you're wrong" routine.

It gets pretty tiring because it's like there is two very different approaches to fandom that meets in the same space: one slower, that wants to have thoughtful conversations and meta analysis; one way faster, that doesn't have the time nor mental energy to engage in any kind of thoughtful discussion.
Unfortunately the faster pace people overwhelm the others, so discussions become scarce and difficult for everybody.

(like someone else said: trolls were abundant even back in the day and I think the amount of them is almost the same even now. Maybe even less. It's the people that are not trolls but have no time nor energy to add to the conversations that are waaaaay more)

[(Anonymous)]

>>Everyone is just so sure their opinion is the "right" opinion. It's about winning the argument, not so much furthering discussion on art/creativity or challenging oneself to see beyond their own biases and preferences.

>>It's always about how other people are stupid and wrong and therefore fuck you and your opinions.

DAMN. I feel this so much it hurts.
IDK if that's how I was raised, but I always try to see beyond my own preference and bias and look at what other people enjoy and why. That was always the beauty of fandom discussions and metas for me.
In the back of my mind there is always a "I hate this, but someone surely enjoys it. I want to know why! They see something I don't, surely!". It doesn't mean I have to change my mind or that the other person is right or wrong, but I'm just curious about what other people think about the media I enjoy or hate.
We are all different and our opinions and experiences are all over the place. That's the beauty of humanity, for me.

[(Anonymous)]

MEH, I think this is a very naive take. Also, it's not a WRITING decision most of the time. It's money. Sequel and prequels gets done because of the money, the writing/creative part is secondary way more often than not (which is why the quality usually drops and/or retcons are done sloppily).

And yeah, I can claim that a series doesn't need a sequel because it's an opinion.
For example, I think that stranger things has been thoroughly ruined by not being a short season. To me doing other seasons was a bad decision because with that they ruined the possibility of a new mainstream market of short contained horror stories aimed at kids/teens (and they even ruined the tension of the first season). But uh... that's my opinion??? Is it a stupid opinion that shouldn't be vocalized because the sequels were a "writing decision" from the part of the creators?

I don't get you. I mean, I kind of get where you're coming from, since people can be very toxic in fandom spaces and discussions can get pretty tiring and futile, but that doesn't mean that your reaction is the right one.
You remind me of those people who start the conversations with ACTUAAAALLY and then spew cynic takes to feel superior.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah echoing people above to say that I disagree with the general position of this secret. When people say something "doesn't need a sequel" in my experience, it's because the original work told a very tight, self-contained story with a satisfying ending. By writing a sequel, often this means inserting drama that didn't exist in the original story (or reopening it in a contrived way) or significantly changing characters' established characterization to be able to tell a new story with them, which risks changing people's feelings about the original work and what they view its legacy as.

Sometimes it is the case that a very tight story COULD afford a sequel AND the sequel that gets made is well-received by fans of the original, but it can be incredibly risky for certain kinds of stories, and I think that's what people are trying to point out when they say a work doesn't need a sequel -- they're pointing out (mostly) objective aspects of the original story that leave little room for a satisfying sequel that doesn't damage the original.

It's all writing decisions, but some writing decisions are riskier or more foolish than others. And there are a lot of external pressures that push writers to turn satisfying standalone plots into disappointing sequels, and those pressures often come from monetary considerations rather than what makes for good/satisfying art.

[(Anonymous)]

This, basically. Sometimes a story is just done and doesn't need anything more because the ending ties everything up nicely with a bow.

For example, one of my canons ends with the power that caused the central conflict of the main story ceasing to exist. Any sequel that was made would either have to asspull a way to bring the power back into existence (which would make no sense and would defeat the purpose of the ending of the series and everything that the characters had worked for) or would have to have a plot about a completely different topic, at which point it would only really be a sequel in name since the original story focused so heavily on that power. Neither of these are good options and would sort of ruin the original.